Heroic gear only 3 ilevel higher than normal gear at max upgrades?

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I’ve been looking into the upgrade system and (forgive me if I’m missing something) but take Ashkandur (2 handed sword), normal is 424 ilevel with 4/8. So you can upgrade it to 437 ilevel. Then we pop over to heroic, dungeon journal shows 437 ilevel with 4/5 upgrade, So 440 ilevel (or 441?) is max for heroic Ashkandur?

Is this for real? At the end of the season normal raid items will only be 3-4 ilevel lower than heroic raid gear at max upgrades? Am I the only one who thinks this asinine? I have to be missing something?

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You have to do heroic or M+ 11-15 to get crests to upgrade it that far, you’re not going to get those doing normal level content.

LFR crests go to 411
Normal crests go to 424
Heroic crests go to 437
Mythic crests go to 441

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At the same time, if you can kill normal Sarkareth, you can easily do +11s.

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If you can kill normal sarkareth you can easily do most of heroic too, probably all of it with a little practice

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They only care about M+ and Mythic raid gear being substantially higher than other gear (40+ item levels).
With Mythic 0 not even “epic” quality, we should be lucky, anything lower is just simply not green 376 junk.

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most +11s are easier than N Aberrus if you run the right comp.

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Yeah but the base item levels are still like 15+ right? What gives?

Don’t really see the issue.

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Right but just the fact that you can face roll a normal raid, do some easy +11’s and easily almost match heroic raid gear just seems nuts to me…

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It is sad.

Blizzard still hasn’t addressed this. So, if you Raid then you’re forced to do M+ to stay geared.

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you act like heroic is some hard thing to accomplish either though.

You can go out do some M+ 16s and get 447 crafted gear, 3 ilvl below regular top mythic drops.

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It’s about time investment.

Running M+ at 11 multiple times takes way less time and logistics than Raiding. Yet gives better gear.

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Not really, it’s kind of a horse a piece.

If you want to top raid you probably also do M+

If you want to top M+ you also have to raid.

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You don’t need to raid to progress M+.

You need to do M+ to stay relevant in Raiding or you’ll get replaced.

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The point that should be taken.

437 (after upgrade) from normal raid is pretty decent tbh.

Only need m+9 to get 437 (after upgrade) gear.

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Every single high level m+ player will have raid gear, specially trinkets

M+ trinkets suck this go around, you’re lucky if you have 1 good one.

2 raid trinkets, 4 piece set, everything else crafted will be likely bis.

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Not needed. Players were beating +15 to +20s without ever Raiding.

While every top Raiding guild required M+ or you’re benched.

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15-20s isn’t even bothering playing M+ pushing is the actual gameplay in M+

and if you look at the best of the best, they spent a LOT more time in raid than M+, not my fault if your world 1050 guild thinks it needs to force people into M+

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Only 6% of players beat a +20 key.

There’s no reason needed to go above a +20 key unless you’re a glutten for pain.

It’s also clear you have no idea what you’re talking about. Hence the out of nowhere insults. Most likely because you’ve realized that I’m right and you aren’t.

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Less people than that do Mythic raiding. You don’t need M+ to do heroic at all.

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We’re done. You’re insulting me for no reason and have no idea what you’re talking about.