I had a silly question, why is Helya in the Maw? Didn’t she create her own afterlife Helhiem? Odyn adopted her and he is a Titan Keeper, wouldn’t that make her on Par with them?
So then why is there a Titan Keeper in the Maw? Isn’t the Maw only for mortal souls?
Oh while I’m thinking about it and it’s pure speculation…but if Helya is in the Maw couldn’t Argus; since he was the Titan of Death, be in the Maw too?
Because she’s in League with the Jailor apparently. And has been for quite some time. She seems to be the one creating those Mawsworn Val’kyr that are the lone exception right now for Maw forces that can come and go out of that Pit. All other forces are stuck there atm.
Helya wasn’t really a Keeper. She was a vrykul sorceress. A very powerful sorceress, but still vrykul. And so, technically, a “mortal.”
We killed her during Legion, potentially after whatever event caused souls to start funneling into the Maw had occurred, so she might have been sent there for that reason. Or perhaps she was already secretly in cahoots with the Jailer by way of her tampering with Death magic and chose to go there when we killed her body in Helheim.
Oh yeah I forgot we beat her in her own realm.
I was trying to piece together a theory about the Jailer. Got the cut scene where he’s interrogating the Rune Carver and looking for something the First Ones tried hiding that the Rune Carver has knowledge of. Admiring the craftsmanship of the Helm of Domination and Frostmourn.
Argus had a weapon called “The Scythe of the Unmaker” I was thinking Zovaal “The Jailer” was looking to have the pieces from around the universe forged into one super death weapon.
The Jailer stole the Runecarver’s Memories to obtain the power of Domination.
The Helm of Domination’s Death Magic is the exact same color and appearance as the Drust’s as shown when Darion uses it in the Maw against Mawsworn Shades!
Into the Flame - Quest - World of Warcraft (wowhead.com)
From the Quest:
I know the curse of which you speak. Dark magic that possesses the mind of the afflicted. Long ago, the Drust were ruled by a sorcerer king named Gorak Tul. It was he who twisted our rituals and us upon the path of death and domination. You will need to claim a portion of his power to break the curse. Take this fetish to Gol Inath and temper it in the Flame of Oblivion. But beware… it is a vile place, and danger lurks among its shadows.
The Drust are outright stated to use Domination Death Magic in the Quest!
Helm of Domination merely controls the undead from rampaging. Which again makes no sense because there wasn’t always a lich king on Azeroth.
Why it was conjectured that there always must be a Lich King makes Bolvar sus. He had his mind controlled by the drake fire amulet and saw what dragons saw. Led Alliance to the Wrathgate but “HE” alone dragon fire cured of the plague!?
Idk if it’s the “Light” that makes me worried or just the followers. Bolvar Fordragon is priority on my vote list to boot.
He already had a method of crossing the Maw into the Shadowlands
Who’s looking after Azeroth now her champions are playing Tag in Torgos.
Azeroth has always been the prize! World soul on the verge of being the next Titan. WITH the possibility of ending creation according to Sergearas.
There wasn’t always a scourge for the lich king either till he was sent to Azeroth by the legion, the scourge only became a thing after the lich king prison was placed in icecrown.
That possibility only comes if the old gods actually succeeded in their desire to corrupt Azeroth.
I already went over this with you in another thread on why that’s an inaccurate representation on the drusts magic, the helm of domination and the powers of Thros are to separate things.
It prevents the Scourge from rampaging.
Undead who weren’t created by the Scourge (i.e. weren’t killed and then raised by it) were always independently minded or bound to the specific circumstances of their deaths unless later enslaved by the Scourge’s minions.
The danger of having no Lich King came specifically from the gigantic host of Scourge undead that had been created using its power, because all those undead and their souls were specifically bound to the Helm by virtue of how they were reanimated and enslaved.
Moreover it’s becoming apparent that the Helm had a “will” of its own that threatened to assert itself and drive the undead to rampage in the absence of a Lich King holding that will in check with their own.
I’ve been seeing different reasonings to justify the “must always be a Lich King” thing over the years. Going from preventing the scourge from rampaging, which doesn’t seem to be in their nature. A lot of the undead just meander around with if they aren’t given a purpose, just look at the Ghostlands.
Some have been saying it was to prevent others from controlling the undead.
I’ve seen the justification that Bolvar didn’t just destroy the Scourge because it could be used in the defense of Azeroth one day. I guess that one backfired.
The rules don’t even seem that consistent. So the Lich King was weakening in TFT after Illidan’s spell, many undead breaking free and that link could never be reestablished. But upon being killed, the link can be reestablished with, the mindless undead? And all those scourge commanders. Then the helm being destroyed, someone(Jailer or friends) else can control them now?
And now that we are in the Shadowlands, what is a mindless undead anyway? Just an unfocused soul attached to a body by death magic?
I think the actual reason was because Metzen heard the line from Pirates of the Caribbean and wanted to use it in his story, and now a decade later we still have the story trying to justify that decision.
I recall that when Wrathgate was first written they didn’t necessarily have any plans for Bolvar’s future (unfortunately Wowpedia’s citation on this is the magazine from a decade ago so there’s no real way to fact check it). Anyway, that does make it sound like “there must always be a Lich King” was a rather last-minute thing.
I think preventing the Scourge from rampaging is a perfectly reasonable explanation. Or rather it would be if we hadn’t already seen in TFT what happens when the Lich King loses control: they don’t rampage, they get their minds back. Even in the Shadowlands pre-event, the Scourge aren’t rampaging mindlessly, they’ve been co-opted by the Mawsworn Kyrians.
Well some do, others fall under the sway of stronger willed undead or demons. TFT shows that with the dreadlords and their forces being mindless dead, while Syl has the minority with her free willed forsaken.
Most likely they didn’t want to destroy the Scourge as a potential villain for future expansions, so they pulled out the “There must always be…a LICH KING!” in order to keep them on the backburner. It’s very rare that Blizz definitively ends a villain faction. The Defias are still around. The Syndicate is still around. Demons are still around. The Twilight’s Hammer are still around. The Silithid are still around even though Silithus has a planetoid-sized sword sticking out of it.
I’m surprised nobody has said it yet, but mueh’zala tells you he brought helya back when you confront him in the otha side.
That means she must have been dead dead, or somewhere else, and he interfered and brought her to the maw.
I’m just wondering where she was before mueh’zala interfered.
This guy right here, he knows what’s up.
Really? I must’ve missed that part. Than again I was too busy trying to figure out his fight mechanics to pay attention to anything else 
Technically what he said was he brought Helya to the Jailer’s side. I was under the impression he meant thousands of years ago, not recently.
She wasn’t a Vrykul. She was a Titan Watcher. Which is above the lesser titanforged (i.e Vrykul, Mogu, Earthern etc), but below the Keepers. Ironaya is one of these as an example.
Also it is stated by Mueh’zala that he was the one who brought Helya to the Jailers side. Most likely after her defeat in Trial of Valor as it seemed that Helya was still independent.