How do I know what moves to do at which point to max my dps.
I'm 375 item level and I'm only doing 10k dps in most mythic plus keys.
Usually when theres 3 to 5 mobs I focus on dotting all and void eruption then void bolt and mind flay then only mind blast if theres 3 or less.
What if theres just 2 mobs do I focus on all dots staying up over void erupt and bolting or mind blast?
Also if theres 3 mobs and 1 is at full health and the other are at 40 percent what do I do?
I'm having trouble leaving finding out what's the best move to make in different situations. Mainly because everyone with the same item level is doing 3k more dps
I think the rule of thumb is that if the mobs live longer than 7 seconds it’s worth it to apply vampiric to those mobs, any shorter and you should just toss on SWP
If there’s 3 or more mobs it’s sear over flay, and you always want to use void bolt on cd to refresh dots. Shadow word void is still worth using in aoe situations unless there’s more than 6 mobs that will get hit by mind sear
For two mobs if I’m not already in voidform I’ll usually save erupt for a bigger pack but use your judgment. If it’s a 10 or higher and fortified week you’ll probably have time to erupt on smaller packs
If big packs of low hp mobs are really getting nuked down fast don’t even bother throwing pain on all of them, throw out like 2-3 and start searing/shadow crash
If there’s 3 or more mobs it’s sear over flay, and you always want to use void bolt on cd to refresh dots. Shadow word void is still worth using in aoe situations unless there’s more than 6 mobs that will get hit by mind sear
For two mobs if I’m not already in voidform I’ll usually save erupt for a bigger pack but use your judgment. If it’s a 10 or higher and fortified week you’ll probably have time to erupt on smaller packs
If big packs of low hp mobs are really getting nuked down fast don’t even bother throwing pain on all of them, throw out like 2-3 and start searing/shadow crash
Sounds about right. I have yet to achieve higher than 10k DPS and the only spriest I've seen above 370 could Max pull 11k unless extreme aoe arises.
I vamp touch all the mobs, void explosion I to eruption then bolt whenever possible. So essentially the same as you. Basically I'm bumping without anything else to add in hopes others have advice
I vamp touch all the mobs, void explosion I to eruption then bolt whenever possible. So essentially the same as you. Basically I'm bumping without anything else to add in hopes others have advice
I got some good tips from the first poster. Anyone else have any input. Specifically on maximizing damage in different circumstances or more rules of thumb info.
Looking at your haste and crit, they’re both really low. Maybe try using misery, especially if you’re running higher keys. Being able to apply both dots by casting vampiric touch is really helpful. Also take shadow word void as well. Generally apply dots to the mobs, casting both of your void casts and shadow crash and you’ll be able to pop into void form. From there, void bolt > void > mind sear unless there’s a large number of mobs and then just mind sear one of the mobs affected by swp. My 346 shadow has no problem maintaining 12-13k on trash. It also depends on the level key as well as the other people in your group. If mobs are dying really fast, you’re not gonna get ramped up fast enough to get higher numbers.
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10/29/2018 10:24 AMPosted by NypharmUsually when theres 3 to 5 mobs I focus on dotting all and void eruption then void bolt and mind flay then only mind blast if theres 3 or less.
What if theres just 2 mobs do I focus on all dots staying up over void erupt and bolting or mind blast?
If I was you I would try using mind blast even if there are 3+ mobs. It keeps your voidform up for a lot longer and its definitely a better filler than mindflay.
Depending on talents, pulls, and affixes your dps is gonna vary wildly in M+
General rules, as outlined by the first responder are great.
With your having 2x Death Throes SW:P is probably your most important damage source next to Void Bolt. At the start of the pull cast Dark Void if there are more than two mobs, then go into your "normal rotation".
Typically you want to avoid being in Void form at the end of a group of trash - unless chain pulling. If it happens, and you have dispersion available, don't be afraid to use it to hold on to the form for the next group.
You may find that having Dark Ascension serves you better as the on-demand nature of the ability is quite handy in M+ both for trash and for bosses regardless of affix, but your choice is totally viable as well.
Other than that - as noted by Davidduval - haste and crit are both quite low. This isn't something that is easy to fix without a bit of luck though so ...
General rules, as outlined by the first responder are great.
With your having 2x Death Throes SW:P is probably your most important damage source next to Void Bolt. At the start of the pull cast Dark Void if there are more than two mobs, then go into your "normal rotation".
Typically you want to avoid being in Void form at the end of a group of trash - unless chain pulling. If it happens, and you have dispersion available, don't be afraid to use it to hold on to the form for the next group.
You may find that having Dark Ascension serves you better as the on-demand nature of the ability is quite handy in M+ both for trash and for bosses regardless of affix, but your choice is totally viable as well.
Other than that - as noted by Davidduval - haste and crit are both quite low. This isn't something that is easy to fix without a bit of luck though so ...
I’m about 366 equipped and while I might dip below 10k on a single target boss that we pulled while my cooldowns were down... trash in M+ is pretty straight forward. I’ll run shadow crash and dark ascension but usually keep the “vamp touch applies swp” talent
I use mind blast off CD even in multi target situations it really does a lot of damage, there need to be a metric !@#$ton of adds for mind sear to do more Dps than mind blast
try to use void eruption strategically like when adds are just popping, don’t use DA if you are already building insanity when it comes off CD
Mind sear > flay if > 3 targets
For high health (probably 5+) packs, as uninituitive and stupid as it is, it’s beneficial to for everyone up, dump your double void forms, and then stand around twiddling your thumbs and maybe off healing until void form falls off (maybe use the first void bolt too). The void eruption damage is just so insane that it out paces mind sear and single target dps. If you are feeling really bold you sit on your mind bender until just after that first void form falls off so you can get your third eruption out even faster, and by that point the pack is usually getting into execute range and you can go back to single target
Shadow word void is probably best for ST damage but shadowy insights can really help both your dps and force you into SUPER fast new void forms with big packs. Probably best aoe spec but somewhat underused is shadowy insights, spread pain, shadow crash and DA.
I use mind blast off CD even in multi target situations it really does a lot of damage, there need to be a metric !@#$ton of adds for mind sear to do more Dps than mind blast
try to use void eruption strategically like when adds are just popping, don’t use DA if you are already building insanity when it comes off CD
Mind sear > flay if > 3 targets
For high health (probably 5+) packs, as uninituitive and stupid as it is, it’s beneficial to for everyone up, dump your double void forms, and then stand around twiddling your thumbs and maybe off healing until void form falls off (maybe use the first void bolt too). The void eruption damage is just so insane that it out paces mind sear and single target dps. If you are feeling really bold you sit on your mind bender until just after that first void form falls off so you can get your third eruption out even faster, and by that point the pack is usually getting into execute range and you can go back to single target
Shadow word void is probably best for ST damage but shadowy insights can really help both your dps and force you into SUPER fast new void forms with big packs. Probably best aoe spec but somewhat underused is shadowy insights, spread pain, shadow crash and DA.
Right now I play with dark void, crash, and legacy, and mind bender, it only takes me 2 or 3 seconds to go for 0 to voidform so I figured it's better for the group if I go aoe spec and kill trash fast to make up for my single target low dmg and extra time it takes on bosses. I was using DA for a long time but I didnt find it better since I can get into void form so fast anyways.