That’s nothing more than an assumption on your part.
Sounds like he had a good reason and left on what should have been amicable terms. People want to play the game. The GM had no business badmouthing him to his new/old guild though. That’s just a dick move.
Except they were clearly not ‘like okay then’.
I swear some of you just read as much as you felt and ignored half of what he wrote. Specifically…
This. I pay money every month to PLAY the game, not sit the bench while others play. Now when I get benched, I don’t really mind as it just frees me up for another week of not having to respec from PvP to PVE, but if all I cared about was raiding? I’d be a little sour too. It’s just like how I don’t like that I could be expected to stop PvPing if I’ve gotten too much honor. I don’t do many battlegrounds, I like to go out and world pvp, but still. My money and my time, I’ll spend it how I want. That’s not to say their benching players isn’t legitimate. It’s 100% expected that dps will be forced to bench from time to time, but if that’s not how this person wants to spend their money, then how is it their prerogative to get Butt hurt and slander someone. Ridiculous.
You bailed after one bench? That doesn’t look good…
I did that once back in WoD, though it was only cause my GM lost her mind over the spec I was playing in heroic farm content (top 3 damage lol) and straight up screamed at me in front of the entire guild at the end of a raid night once. So, I guess everybody’s got a line somewhere.
Hmm… it sounds like the OP guild hopped because they wanted easy Naxx clears, then got benched on day one Naxx for presumably more senior members of their new guild, then threw a hissy fit and tried to go back to their old guild. And shockingly got called out for being a guild hopping cry baby.
My guild gives full dkp for wait-list, I would have been thrilled to miss night one wipes get progression dkp and play my demonhunter on retail all at the same time.
Wow is full of manchildren who have never accomplished anything in life, and are trying to make up for it by investing 40 hours a week in a video game. They think they are “elite” because of their in-game accomplishments, but they still have the emotional maturity of a high schooler who talks smack after feeling rejected. If you knew that the GM/officers were all 15 year old hormonal teens, would you still be surprised by their behavior? No? Well, there’s your answer
Edit: I’m also assuming that you carried yourself well, and didn’t throw a tantrum or anything. If you did throw a tantrum… well, that doesn’t reflect very well on you either.
You cherry picked and quoted out of context. Nice job though.
Guilds have every right to choose who they want for progression. This guy wasn’t picked for 1 raid and he quit the guild over it, it’s an immature decision on his part. However as I said in my previous post (that you cherry picked and ignored this part —->) the guild was petty to trash talk him after leaving.
Yeah, quitting over being sat once is not a good look. I think you made a hasty decision when you were angry, and that’s understandable. You wanted to be there for the premiere and you couldn’t, it makes sense you’d be disappointed.
But, you waited how long for Naxx ? You really couldn’t wait one more week ? The guy guaranteed you a spot, according to your post. That seems like compromise to me.
If you were truly on good terms with this guild, couldn’t you see how they would be caught off guard if you just up and decided to leave, seemingly out of the blue ? They were reacting out of anger/frustration the same way you were when you decided to quit. I’m not saying they’re innocent but if someone had a fit with me I’d probably have a fit right back.
Yea agree they both acted super butt-hurt dude should have taken his free dkp for riding the pine then the guild that doesn’t even want to bring him in day one is salty he leaves after making false promises and talk chit roflmao, chitty look for them both tbh.
I was always CO GM and GM of most guilds i was part of… and we did well. But yeah we would tell members if they were lacking and it was hard to do, its like telling a new wife her cooking sucks, if she enjoys cooking.
But we never gave false intentions to any member, or bury our head in the sand to avoid animosity. We also never said things like your damage sucks in the guild voice… we would get with that player after the run in private. And we would use empathy and usually work with them at the parts they lacked at.
Everyone wants to be good and it hurts when someone feels they are lacking… One of my classic guilds the leader was a jerk, he had no issue at all belittling you in front of everyone, But I am easy to work with because I am the first to say when I suck, details does not lie. Or whatever the case may be.
I just move on when a guild treats players unfairly.
Did your previous guild consistently have more than 40 usual raiders? Was benching people a common occurrence?
I know sitting out on the opening night of a new raid is not ideal but if the guild regularly runs a bench it is to be expected that you’ll sit at some point. Also if you don’t mind me asking what class do you play? Perhaps they ran into a situation of needing extra healers or going for a more favorable dps class etc.
All in all, I do believe you leaving was a very hasty decision that was not very well thought out but thats just my opinion. Now as to them bad mouthing you, thats just strange and uncalled for; unless you did something else to trigger such a reaction then its just them being petty.
Yes to both. Yes, they consistently had more than 40, and yes, benching was a common occurrence.
I definitely see your point. It just really felt bad being told the day of the raid, after I had spent the past two days farming away for all my consumable requirements, which was a long list and only given two days prior.
I had also been previously contacted by my previous guild, who wanted to know if I would return to them for Naxx after leaving at the beginning of the AQ tier. We had maintained good relations and consistently told me they would be happy to have me back if wanted to return. So, when faced with sitting vs. a guild asking me to come back, I decided to return to the guild. That’s probably a key factor for why I left as quickly as I did.
Holy Palladin.
Looking at their parse from yesterday, they ran with 5 Palladins, 7 Priests, and 2 Druids. I would have been the sixth Palladin in what I think is a pretty heavy healing roster. So, I can see how I wasn’t needed. That’s actually something that frustrated me during my time with them, every raid felt like there were too many healers and we were all competing to beat eachother to a heal.
I don’t know who they would have benched next raid night and next week when they said I was guaranteed a spot, but I suspect it would have been a similar number of healers.
I can admit this is true. Probably if I didn’t already have an alternative I knew was available, I wouldn’t have done it, but knowing I had a choice between raiding that night or sitting, I decided to switch back to the guild where I knew I would never be benched.
It was honestly pretty shocking. After asking why I was being sat, told it was normal and everyone would be sitting, I said that I had a guild wanting me versus one wanting to sit me, so I would go to the one that wanted me. Their response was “sounds good” and I left.
Literally seconds after my gquit, guildies start telling me they are receiving all these whispers from people. Within the hour, they also contacted the GM. However, I don’t think they realized I had returned to the guild I spent almost a year in, so they were just like “we know you better than they do, don’t worry about it”
I agree with the other people here, they probably had a bench and they probably took what would get them the furthest along. You said you joined a more hardcore guild and this is how more hardcore guilds operate. They take whatever will get them the furthest whether this is based on the class, the performance, whatever and you should have expected it being in that sort of guild.
As exciting as it is to raid on the first night of Naxx it would have been better for you to be there cheering for them if you did want to stay in a more hardcore setting instead of going back to your old guild. However now that you’ve joined your old guild who took you back you should probably not just bail on them again because that will look really bad on you. I mean at the end of the day we’re just playing a game but Classic is very much about the social aspect.
As for the trash talking stuff I don’t know because I don’t know what you said when you left like if you started getting angry in guild chat or whatever. There are two sides to every story.
If you wanted more detailed answers to these questions, you could have just asked - I never blocked you on discord etc. I try to avoid drama, so I’ll just answer your questions so you have closure and so you and others reading this can hear my side in addition to yours.
Why were you benched? Everyone was prepared, yes you had farmed and were ready to go, but so was everyone else we took. Attendance - All of our healers have had above 80% raid attendance. It was great you never missed a week, but you were also one of our newest healers. Ultimately it came down to who we thought would give us the best chance on patchwork etc since attendance and preparation were equal. I still told you that you had a spot day 2, and both days next week.
Maybe I should have been more forthright about the performance piece and gone into detail like I did here, but honestly man I didn’t have the energy for it. Early on in AQ a post was made in our discord healer channel about how certain healers could improve performance and just offering general advice on stopcasting etc. Even though you were not called out(no one was, it was a general post), you got extremely defensive early on in your raiding career here. I didn’t want to deal with that while trying to prepare a 40 man raid for Naxx.
Your performance was poor, it wasn’t just that your healing parses were low. On separate occasions in AQ you wore prot gear for twin emps healing and other bosses because you “forgot to take it off from farming”. You buffed warriors with Salvation after pulls(putting it on tanks, and getting boss aggro on like flamegore etc where there was no initial threat). You died on one occasion to a BWL boss of all things without healing yourself or taking action for 30 seconds.
I don’t want to call you out by name since you are posting behind an anonymous account, but we have multiple logs to back this up - all easily viewable on WCL.
Your first response to me telling you that we sit on a rotation and you would be brought in the next week was “My old guild has been begging me to come back, and you are sitting me. Making my decision real easy” - what do you want me to say to this? Beg you? Again, your performance wasn’t great but you fit well enough with members that we continued to have you raid with us - but let me make this clear, you threaten quitting over 1 sit showed me you were no longer a good fit for us culturally either. The “sounds good” was just me acknowledging your choice.
Finally, in response to reaching out to your GM - All I did was message him what I posted here about how you reacted to being sat, your performance issues, and said “As a GM I would want to know if someone behaved this way, do what you want with the information, I just wanted to tell you”. Some may consider it petty, and sure part of that message was driven out of frustration to your response to being sat… but it was just facts. I didn’t go out of my way to badmouth you, I stated truth and left it at that. As I said, I would want others to tell me the same if I recruited from other guilds. I don’t want to bring that drama into my guild.
To everyone else: we do run a rotating bench, on most nights it’s all volunteer. We also give FULL EP points (epgp loot) to people that sit. BTW our total healing roster is ONLY 13 healers. We ran with 12 last night - 1 druid was feral and decursed only on 1 boss, and another paladin is ret.
That’s my side of it, you can take from it what you want.
You complained about having to sit out one night then threatened to leave the guild over it. I would have made it real simple for you and kicked you right then and there.
i mean it sucks you got sat on the first night, but it has to be someone right?
Guild can’t run with exactly 40 raiders because people are bound to miss raid days, so you should carry at minimum 45 raiders to sub people in for the health of your guild. Someone is always going to need to sit.
Again, I understand the disappointment of being sat on night one, but gquitting your guild for something that many other members are going to be asked to do over the course of naxx prog is a bad look IMO