Help me figure out why my Frost damage is bad

Classes Death Knight
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Let me start by saying I alternate both frost and unholy in raid. For unholy I pretty much got it down, but need better gear stats.

Frost….something is off. For basically anything raid I begrudgingly do BoS. I’ve tried switching stats around with gems/enchants etc. but I cannot for the life of me manage to keep anything over 60-70 seconds on breath. It feels like the RP spending ramps up or my regen drastically drops after my CDs.

My general opener is as follows: Remorseless > Oblit x2 > Spend Rime Procs > Pillar > BoS > Horn > spend KM/Rime Procs > refresh Remorseless > spam oblit and HB to keep RP up > Empower Rune Weapon Macro with Arcane Torrent. Generally by the time I reach the last part I’m fighting tooth and nail to keep RP generating and eventually Breath fizzles out.

Do I need more crit? Do I need more Haste? The rotation itself isn’t hard but it runs out of steam fast if I don’t get enough KM/Rime procs. Any suggestions?

Also if anyone knows where I can find a working BoS timer because all the ones on Wago do not work for some reason. Or any addons in general to help me improve.

Thanks You!

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Oops…I posted on my lock, here is my DK.

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Am important part of keeping breath up longer in raid is knowing what mechanics to game/soak with AMS and AMZ (when using assimilation) to bridge RP gaps. There are also many boss fights with add spawns that talenting into the RP generation for interrupts becomes helpful.

Some examples:

Roar on eggnog, group soak on terros, group soaks on grimtotem and a lot of raidwide dmg, lighting puddle spawns on rasz, eggs breaking on broodkeeper, tornadoe suck on dathea, group soaks or lighting debuff on council, and so on.

Also good use of DA will provide maximum uptime on bosses and will avoid downtime during pushbacks/displacements.

*edit

You should also check out the DK discord, if you have logs I’m sure there are people there that would help review them.

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If you link a log it will be way easier for people to help you.

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I’m trying to throw a link up but I keep getting a message that says I can’t post links. Not sure if it’s because of Warcraft logs or something.

@Rensí thank you for those suggestions, I will do a bit of research to try and optimize that timing. I didn’t know AMS also generates RP I only thought AMZ does.

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Okay I’m looking at your Eranog log from December 15th.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/x2XybzkBtGqWmwjC#type=damage-done&fight=16

  1. You used your first pillar too early, should use it with Breath a bit later.
  2. Looks like you’re using naked howling blasts (no rime proc)
  3. You used a death coil during your breath window, this has a huuuuge negative impact.
  4. You double-pressed ERW, wasting the second use. First cast was also too early, should go a bit after Breath, maybe 2-3 seconds.
  5. Second breath got dropped early because you used Frost Strike in the window.

I think you can increase your DPS significantly by focusing on not using Death Coil and Frost Strike in your breath windows. Also be careful about double-pressing ERW.

This video might be useful for you:

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Thank you!

  1. Noted and will do! I have made improvements on this timing since then as well.
  2. This is me panicking because my RP is dropping and I’m trying to generate. Should I avoid any naked Oblits/HB?
  3. This has been removed from my bars entirely because I had a habit of pressing it from unholy, for frost I got totally rid of it.
  4. Understood and thank you!
  5. Also noticed that and have moved it in a place where I won’t panic press it while I’m doing breath.

I will watch the video as well, appreciate the advice!

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Sounds good! Naked hbs are last resort if you’re out of range and got nothing to press

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From my experience, dps with BoS is wildly inconsistent. If you’re not getting a high uptime, you’ll have really low DPS as the class doesn’t have a whole lot outside that window. Just keep that in mind. It’s affected my decision to ultimately move away from frost entirely.

I’m no master DK though.

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I wouldn’t say it’s inconsistent. It is heavily penalized if you don’t undertstamd the fights and pop BOS at a bad time.

Once you learn timers and mechanics and how and what to cheese with AMS and DA you constantly pump.

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Just wanted to say that video helped a LOT. Had massive improvements tonight during raid. Still need more practice but at least I can understand what I’m looking for and what to prioritize now. Thank you!

@Tzunomi - I agree, we are on Heroic prog and understanding and predicting when to use BoS next is a large majority of it. Once we had smoother pulls I was able to do much more damage.

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