Howdy! I just finished playing Legion. I know: I’m 5 years late. Anyway, I just finished the raid where you bring the Pantheon back to life, and they pull Sargeras to their temple to discipline him.
Where did Sargeras come from? From the animation, it looks like this humongous being—seriously looks like a ratio similar to that of a fly on a grape—gets pulled off the Azeroth.
I have to be missing something. I thought the whole point of Legion was that Sargeras wasn’t already on Azeroth. That he, in fact, couldn’t get there yet, and was sending his henchmen to destroy it for him, because he doesn’t have a body. And we stormed the Tomb of Sargeras to make sure he stayed incorporeal. Then, after kicking the Legion’s butt on Azeroth, we pressed the offensive to Argus.
But really that whole time, he was hanging off the side of Azeroth, hiding in a big cloud? Or that we somehow missed said huge cloud moving from Argus to Azeroth after that portal was zipped open by Illidan? Make it make sense.
The Avatar of Sargeras was the body he created for his gambit to possess Medivh’s mother Aegwynn. He allowed her to destroy it and while he could darken her thoughts, he wasn’t able to possess her. Meanwhile unable to destroy the Avatar of Sargeras, Aegwynn sealed it in the Tomb of Sargeras and used wards to prevent any native Azerothian being from able to open the tomb.
When Aegwynn got pregnant, the sprit of Sargeras moved from her into her son. The corruption of the orcs and the genocide of the draenei to fulfil Kil’jaeden’s petty vendetta against Velen was then repurposed by Sargeras, since as non natives of Azeroth the orcs could breach the Tomb of Sargeras and Sargeras sought to reclaim his Avatar. Thus the First War was happened, where near the end, the Sargeras controlled Medivh was killed, banishing Sargeras into the Twisting Nether.
At an unknown point in time, Sargeras was able to restore his body and continued to lead the Legion. However he lacked Azeroth’s exact location and relied on the Legion being summoned to Azeroth. Case in point the sound files for the Battle of the Undercity revealed that he was the unnamed Master who berated Varimathras for his failure to stop the Horde war party which prevented the dreadlord from summoning the Legion into the Undercity.
Years later, Gul’dan from an alternative timeline then breached the Tomb of Sargeras and used it to call forth the Burning Legion and kick off the Third Invasion. We eventually invaded with the intention of destroying the portal to halt the Legion’s invasion. The lifeless husk of the Avatar of Sargeras was then animated by Kil’jaeden in order to unleash it’s powers on Azeroth and stop us. We overpowered it, shut down the Legion portal, and killed Kil’jaeden.
However Illidan was himself and used the Sargerite Keystone to open a direct connection between Azeroth and Argus. We then invaded Argus itself and ultimately invaded Antorus. However as we progressed Antorus, we could see a Azeroth being more and more covered by in a fiery storm, which revealed that Sargeras had used the direct portal between Azeroth and Argus to personally come to Azeroth, while we were invading his stronghold.
Cue the Argus fight and the Titans using the last of Argus’ energies combined with their own trap and imprison Sargeras.
You said Sargeras couldn’t possess Aegwynn, but also say his spirit moved from her to her son. So he was like a little devil whispering in her ear, rather than full on controlling her body?
You also said the avatar was a ploy to possess her. So he just needed the avatar to get close to her so that he could try to possess her (but fail)?
The First War is the original Warcraft: Orcs vs Humans campaign, right? So just a generation or two ago?
Ok, so alternate timeline Gul’dan…I thought we killed him in Warlords of Draenor. Wasn’t he destroyed at the end of Hellfire Citadel by Archimonde? I thought Gul’dan in Legion was regular normal Gul’dan. I really thought Blizzard had left that alternative timeline fester with the end of WoD. Sad to learn they didn’t.
I never saw the fiery storm consuming the planet during Antorus, or, if I did, I didn’t realized what the significance was. I think I assumed we were always seeing Argus. Perhaps that’s a drawback of doing the expansion years after the fact. I’m blitzing through that 7.3 in a week when y’all were probalby spending months on it.
By the time of Aegwynn’s possession by Sargeras, she was a seasoned mage who was likely capable of fielding his whispers. Medivh was essentially groomed from birth by him.
More or less, but Sargeras is great at playing the waiting game, so he did just that.
According to the Ultimate Visual Guide (the last clean version of a timeline we have in terms of dates), Legion is about 32-33 years after the First War (Orcs & Humans).
No, Archimonde sent the alternate Gul’dan to the main timeline to jumpstart the Legion invasion. The main timeline Gul’dan has been dead for quite awhile now, and his bones are rotting at the bottom of the Tomb of Sargeras. The alternate Gul’dan is killed by Illidan at the conclusion of the Nighthold, the third raid in Legion.
Also in terms of the alternate universe, many of the Mag’har orcs from Draenor were brought over to the main timeline to live here, because their Draenor is slowly dying and they are facing constant persecution from the Draenei who have been indoctrinated into a fanatical crusade by the Naaru. They’re called the Lightbound, and they’re a plot point I don’t believe has been resolved yet (assuming they decide to resolve it at all).
It slowly creeps over Azeroth the further you get into the Antorus raid, to the point where it’s nearly covering the planet wholesale in the Seat of the Pantheon.
We chased after Velen who chased after Kil’jaeden. Illidan used the Sargerite Keystone to open a portal back to Azeroth so Khadgar could teleport us off KJ’s ship, which was orbiting Argus and was about to be blown up due to KJs body becoming a bomb. It wasn’t so much Illidan being himself but it was the only way we could get back to Azeroth before we were caught up in a massive fel explosion.
Weren’t you the one who complained about me trying to rewrite history or something a few months back too? Oh the hypocrisy.
I was summarizing key events and I honestly forgot that Khadgar had to use the Keystone to portal us back to Azeroth. I just remembered how it was used and that Illidan established a connect between Azeroth and Argus.
I literally have no idea what you are talking about.
I would say Velen chasing after Kil’jaeden, leading to the final fight being on his personal ship was a key event. Since it provides the context as to why we end up in Argus’ orbit in the first place.
I’m sorry, but this feels like needlessly splitting hairs. If we’re quickly summarizing events, the portal’s existence is the key thing here over where the person who opened it was geographically when he did it.
Similarly, we just say that alternate Gul’dan was sent to Azeroth, because that’s the key plot point there - saying he was sent through the portal built on top of the Dark Portal’s wreckage doesn’t really change the end result, true as it is.
In that vein, it’s also technically unclear if AU Gul’dan was sent to Azeroth by Archimonde or - since the Black Gate was Archimonde’s point of entry to AU Draenor - if he was actually sent to Argus first and then sent to Azeroth by Kil’jaeden.
The Tomb of Sargeras audio drama, which takes place more or less right after WoD, has Gul’dan on Azeroth being directed by Kil’jaeden, but it doesn’t indicate if he’s been there the whole period of time between WoD’s conclusion and then, or if he was sent here after stopping off at Argus. So take that as you will, it could be either or.
The audio drama also established certain points about AU Gul’dan’s motivations. Unlike his MU self, AU Gul’dan had been a true believer in the Legion while on Draenor ( whereas MU Gul’dan was really just a practical opportunist from start to finish.) In fact AU Gul’dan drank the Blood of Mannoroth before he even arranged to offer it to the clans, while MU Gul’dan never actually partook of the blood curse that enslaved the rest of his people. However finding out about his other self’s fate while in the Tomb caused the AU Gul’dan to start doubting whether he could really trust Kil’jaeden to honor his part of the bargain. Which was ironic, since Kil’jaeden had intended to deliver his promises to the MU Gul’dan, but because of that first Gul’dan’s betrayals, he’d basically written off being honest with his pawns any more by the time AU Gul’dan was serving him.
MU Gul’dan basically went rogue and stopped working for the Legion with the death of Medivh, instead striking out for the Tomb in a bid for personal power that he felt they’d failed to deliver. So he died there having betrayed the Legion. Conversely AU Gul’dan remained loyal to the end, but mainly because his actions on Draenor had left him with no alternatives; he knew the champions of Azeroth would be coming to hunt him down, and had seen how they wrecked his Fel Horde in Hellfire Citadel. So the only slim chance he saw of surviving was remaining aligned to the Burning Legion, because they were the only force that might be capable of protecting him and might at least keep him alive as long as he kept making himself useful.
They ended up becoming rather different people by the end. It’s even evident in their deaths. MU Gul’dan died striving with his last ounce of strength to find the power he sought, spitting his final words of defiance at hallucinations of the demon lords he’d betrayed as he bled out; AU Gul’dan died a broken orc, falling to his knees in despair as his last sliver of hope for salvation vanished with the collapse of the portal in Suramar, right before Illidan burned him to ashes.
I disagree. Because it is framing it as Illidan just doing it cause he wanted to. Instead of him needing to do so. Plus the summary makes it seem that KJ was killed on Azeroth, within the Tomb of Sargeras when he wasn’t.
So KJ dying around Argus’ orbit, an actual important plot point = Archimonde being summoned at the ruins of the AU Draenor’s Dark portal?
the two do not compare tbh. As one re-contextualizes a characters motivation while the other doesn’t.
By the way: The Well of Eternity was chosen over the Sargerite Keystone because portals made with the Well’s power were more reliable rather than jagged and uneven.
It was blind luck that the shape of the Keystone’s Portal was good enough for Sargeras to pass through. Normally all he’d be able to do is send the fleet through which is not good enough for him especially considering how hard to invade Azeroth is.
While Illidan did need to use the keystone to open the way to Azeroth so that Khadgar could portalul us home, he didn’t have to make a direct connection between Azeroth and Argus. He choose to do that to force a direct battle against Burning Legion, once and for all.
Its a distinction that seperates what needed to be done and the choices that were made. Remember the Illidari used the keystone to return to Outland from Mardum and a connection between them wasn’t forged in the aftermath.
No problem! The story gets a little complex and polarizing from there, so I honestly don’t blame you for any confusion. I experienced Legion in real time, so I can’t imagine what it’s like having it all dumped on you at once rather than the bite sized chunks the patches offered.
I had to make friends with Wowhead so that I didn’t start quest lines before others finished. Like I got quests acknowledging defeating Gul’dan at the Nighthold, before I even got close to the quest that sends you into the Nighthold, and I got quests for Argus at the same time as the Broken Shore. I did the rescue the Exodar quest, before I realized, wait a minute, suddenly taking the fight to the Legion doesn’t make sense yet. They are still here on the Broken Shore!
I also got that Dragonflight quest that sends you to Argus, and I had to be careful not to do it while doing other Argus stuff. Although I unfortunately did get a small teaser. Something about Velen abandoning Hatuun yet again after Legion. I’ll have to wait to see how that happened!
Oh, I believe that actually already happened! Hatuun is moreso just referring to his general disdain for Velen’s leaving that he had prior to his return, and his leave from Argus again is the conclusion of Antorus when he goes back home. Barring that, nothing else really happens on Argus between the end of Legion and the Dragonflight quests.
