I am return player was wonder if rogue mage healer is good season 3? Am excited to play shaman but not rogue mage healer good. thanks!
Pick a date, pick a time, pick a patch, pick RMP, the answer is always yes.
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Pretty sure the only exception was early mop and late mop?
It wasn’t bad late mop, just wmd was better iirc.
Early mop rogue was in a rough spot. Malevolent. Idr why. Or people just felt like it wasn’t strong because we just came out of cataclysmic which was rogue overlord God kings season.
Might have been step and prep on the same talent row. Or damage, or both.
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all throughout mop, RMD was an S+ tier comp, didn’t play with a priest just because rdruid was stupidly op, same reason shatter cleave stopped queing with hpals and godcomp became a thing with rdruid.
Rogue mage hasnt had a single patch in the history of wow where it wasnt extremely good, it just swapped from priest to druid a few times.
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Again if you’re ignoring malevolent sure. You had career rogues playing 5s for titles because they couldn’t push 3s. They could get mounts not titles. Again, rmp wasn’t weak this season, it had its usual strengths. It just wasn’t S+. Might also have something to do with warrior and bm hunters prenerf.
Like i said, rmp was in no way bad in late mop. It just wasn’t an overlord. Wmd was better in almost every way. I got my first duelist ever playing sub disc? Or holy idr. frost that season. It was proof to me that the game was finally dead if I was breaking rival. And that rogue had gotten way easier.
I think it’s important not to neglect priests. Saying RMP is dominant and then mentioning seasons where they ditched priest is unfair.
Again, just to be clear, saying RMX had a bad season just means r1 was less likely. A bad season for RMX is an amazing season for most other comps.
Does wod s1 count? Most people were playing RLD iirc? Could be wrong I quit the game early wod.
i wasn’t very good in s14 and 15 but my memory of rmd that season was that at the absolute apex of warrior tool depth and mage/rdruid synergy, before combo points were bound to the character, people just weren’t willing to play with rogues. thug cleave was more compatratively popular against rmp than it ever has been since, to my memory.
tldr it wasn’t even that rmd was bad, but that xmd was s tier with almost any dps and playing rogue was actually a LOT harder than playing most other specs in that time
i dont’ remember much of a plague of rlds besides nessper, but i could be mistaken about that. i do remember a TON of rmd though. rmd never fell off for all of wod, and in s1 comet storm+ice nova+primal combat rogue with too many broken things to list were absolutely popular
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Ah, I hung out with nessper and his gf a lot back then so that’s probably skewing my memory lmao.
Yeah your description of warrior vs rogue sounds familiar to me for late MoP. Rogue wanst bad it was just outclassed.
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that rld is notable to me for featuring a warlock(shapis) who has spent most of this expansion(before tbc classic launched) insisting that the pinnacle of warlock design was when it had no resource system or cooldowns and having all your regular dots up did the same relative pressure as the modern circumstance of having a full row of dots+ps+sr+dark soul
clip related but not the same guy
warlock players!
I think early MoP was the only time iirc where rogue comps in 3s felt super subpar. A lot of mage/rdruid/x comps felt very powerful and the top ones were RMD, godcomp, & WMD during s14 & 15 apparently. I believe what made rdruids very good was their pvp set bonus where it caused swiftmend to decrease the cast time of your next cast significantly (could be wrong tho). And I think because clones didn’t dr with fear or blind, getting very fast clones was insanely synergetic with those selective comps. Good placed clones were showstoppers and table-turners back then in general and on top of that being able to readily clone someone relatively quick was huge in the process. Psure that’s another reason why L$D became very popular that half of the expansion.
WMD had the better accessories to fight a lot of the damp comps because war was incredibly oppressive with both utility and dmg. However I’ve always felt that a good RMD with near perfect cc coordination was easily just as scary or even more especially during openers.
I’d say the class that actually got outclassed heavily by wars were DKs. DKs could basically almost play any comp that a war could, but they’d be disadvantaged comparatively (besides maybe ww/dk if that was even a thing back in MoP).
I’m pretty sure malevolent season disc RMP was pretty strong still, before disc got sent to the D tier and Holy got huge buffs towards the end of the expansion. Could be wrong though. After tyrannical season it was all RMD and it definitely was an S+ tier comp in both Grievous and Prideful seasons, they were everywhere specially in the NA ladder, up until Legion when RMP made its comeback. I can agree that WMD was better overall though.
Definitely, but im mainly talking about RMX, i think the biggest outliers are always rogue and mage synergy, not the healer choice. Although holy is one of the main reasons of why RMP is so strong nowadays, but this was usually not the case. Healer choice definitely mattered, but in most cases didnt make or break the comp.
I definitely agree with this statement.
WoD s1 was still RMD, it was super strong throughout all the expansion with both sub and combat variants, aswell as fire sub rmpal towards the end of the expansion. Comp died in Legion when they removed deep freeze from frost, and made db from fire share dr’s with cyclone, and then they just switched healers back to priest.
It was the old iteration of Soul of the Forest that made that. It increased the haste of your next spell by 100% after using Swiftmend. So you could get super fast cyclones off on demand, or get huge rejuvenations/regrowths with increased haste that would top people instantly.
Unholy/ww was a thing, yes, but barely anyone ever played it, it wasn’t great by any means and setting up wasnt really as easy as it became in later expansions. If you played it enough you could get high rated with it, but it just wasn’t worth the time when you had so many better and easier options than that.
Good ol MOP memories of KFC
oh they have an old video for this too if your wondering about playing shaman into RMP
still relevant just a holy priest instead
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haha I like is funny
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RMX is ok its not the free win comp though you have to play well if you expect to get high as it’s easily beaten by good teams if your cc isn’t perfect so needs comms.
Once you play perfectly though it’s insane.
Yep 1 mistake and it’s all over for RMP.
Ah SotF - that’s what it was.
Yah I coulda sworn I didn’t see much of uhdk/ww during the xpac on NA. Only team I was aware of that played that comp at the highest level was Voltariux’s team on EU.
damn, thats one name I haven’t heard in a while, good times back in MoP, but yea ur right, his team was the only team to play it to high ratings consistently. Why bring an unholy dk when u could just play WWLS with an aff lock and destroy the ladder? 
Harvest was crazy in s14 and 15. Reminds me of Bcon 2014 where Cdew’s team looked like they had it in the bag playing wwls vs the L$D2.0 but then got reverse swept. Good times for sure
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Sotf was insane but wasn’t druids real strength how well they paired with mage? They got ice block lol.
Killing mage druid felt impossible. They had so. Many. 30s cds to rotate. Not including safeguard from their warrior or nerve strike from rogue.