I have time for two toons and thats about it. I can’t imagine running BWL more than that every week lol
Oorrrrrrr… Hear me out, they can stop wasting time on this type of nonsense, and actually make the real game work properly. Sod is a waste of resources.
Ah yes the retail andy has been spotted in the SoD forums
I remember when everyone quit during TBC and realized it’s just Wrath but worse.
In a couple months people will start feeling nostalgic toward Wrath Era, etc
TBC sucks
I am genuinly confused by this post. By BC do you mean TBC? (the burning crusade?)
- SoD already has TBC abilites?
- SoD already has alot of quality of life features that TBC came with?
- SoD can just rework talents as well like TBC? (unless technical client issues prevent that
completely in some way.) - Sod was supposed to get new Areas/ zones (never did so its safe to assume the TBC
version of SOD wont either.) - Sod was supposed to get new dungeons ( So the TBC version wont either, and people
will 10000% raid log THAT TOO becuase its STILL … at the end of the day… 18 year old
content that those of us that are 30 have done now twice in our lives, my friend.
What will BC Sod bring to the table that current Sod Cant do if given more manpower? other than Outland and flying mounts? I like your spirit, but business wise it just doesnt make any sense. ( And as wild as it is, Blizzard is still a buisness and needs to make money. And FYI no i dont see a TBC Sod ever bringing that money in, or generating that much hype.)
kinda sounds like you just want a TBC fresh?
But this idea was really far out there for me. I would rather they just balance SoD a bit better then have it turn into TBC SOD then Wrath SOD, ect…ect…
Doesn’t have TBC talent trees though.
Some*. We literally can’t even see enemy buffs / debuffs. There’s a lot of areas where TBC would just fix stuff that you wouldn’t even realize are issues. Horde starting location for AV for example.
Reworking the talent trees as opposed to just grabbing them from TBC would be a lot of man hours I bet just given how many talents there are.
Or they shoved some of that development in the waiting room for classic +, though I know that’s just copium. If they were to do TBC, I think the best idea would be to use the prepatch, so everyone’s levels stayed at lvl 60. Either scale down the TBC zones to 60, or just not enable the dark portal.
You’re making seemingly random assertions. Like either way, why would it matter if tbc got new dungeons or not, it’d still have more dungeons in its arsenal by default. IMO they should have lvl 60 versions of all the dungeons of vanilla to bring in extra content.
Doesn’t have TBC talent trees though. <
yup. thats why i talked about the talent tree re-works. (with more man power.)
AND YOUR correct, that does require man power. your 1000% right. BUTTTTTT HERES THE THING KING
Adding TBC to SOD would NOT be plug and play. It too would also require a ton of man hours to implement. Again business wise, just not worth it.
Which is why im so confused on this post. You even know that and mention it several times. that classic + would be more in line
And No-where in your post did you add any reason why making a SOD TBC would be worth it. (you didnt add any points why it would be worth it other than the buffs and small UI changes, and extra raids/ dungeons. With that same mentality why not do a wrath SoD? its has EVEN MORE dungeon than TBC SOD and again all of this requires long hours) there really isnt a reason that SoD or classic + cant already do the things everyone is talking about.
TBC wouldn’t be plug and play from the current version of SoD, but I don’t think they’re going to be repeating everything in SoD regardless with classic +. All they’d have to do is use the tbc prepatch version of vanilla instead of the last patch of naxx version for classic +, and work from there.
TBC is just a more polished more balanced version of vanilla. They wouldn’t have to do a bunch of quality of life changes that tbc already addressed. They would be able to add new abilities to classes on more of an even playing field, since half the classes in vanilla were at pretty low states that they had to adjust for more, leaning into more imbalances. PvP would have a much better honor system than the vanilla system, and would also have arena potentially available. Crowd control durations would be at a set value, and diminishing returns would be added to the game, along with a 2 min cd on the pvp trinket. The blood elves and draeneis would be in the game, so both factions could have shams and pallies without having to jimmy rig other races to be able to do it.
There are just a lot of areas of TBC that are just objectively superior to vanilla, but that’s because it was designed more as a continuation of vanilla instead of an entire new experience, which is where wotlk started going towards with design.
If they’re starting with a fresh version of the game for classic + and not copying everything they did from SoD, then the man hour differential would probably be a net positive, because they wouldn’t have to go back to fix all the little things that tbc fixed, while they could build from the TBC tool kit instead.
with that same mentaility why NOT do a Wrath SOD, then a Cataclym SOD, Then a mists of pandaria SOD… you know
Again it just doesnt make sense becuase each of those game version is more polished more refined with more dungeons. Please King i know you see the logic here.
They would be able to add new abilities to classes on more of an even playing field, since half the classes in vanilla were at pretty low states that they had to adjust for more, leaning into more imbalances. PvP would have a much better honor system than the vanilla system, and would also have arena potentially available. Crowd control durations would be at a set value, and diminishing returns would be added to the game, along with a 2 min cd on the pvp trinket. The blood elves and draeneis would be in the game, so both factions could have shams and pallies without having to jimmy rig other races to be able to do it. <
again Sod/Classic+ can do all of this king
It REALLY just sounds liek you want a TBC fresh
Answered that already. TBC is the second half of vanilla, it isn’t an expansion. A large part of the content for TBC was planned for vanilla, specifically Kara and Hyjal. Those later versions of the game strayed a lot further from the original vision of the game, whereas TBC more or less stayed in line with that vision.
Probably won’t though. Probably will be deemed as not worth it on things that were improvements, but aren’t big enough improvements to justify putting in the work for it again.
You literally said that to the other guy too. Sounds like you really just want vanilla fresh.
bro we got things in wrath we where supposed to get in vanilla. And yes TBC WAS AN EXPANSION. LITERALLY. tagged bagged. sure we did get extra vanilla content that was planned with it. but WE ALSO GOT A WHOLE EXPANSION WITH OUTLAND AND NEW RAIDS AND ZONES THAT WHERE NOT PLANNED IN VANILLA. Yes it is an expansion on top of content we where supposed to get.
WE ALSO GOT A WHOLE EXPANSION WITH OUTLAND AND NEW RAIDS AND ZONES THAT WHERE NOT PLANNED IN VANILLA … i jsut need to say this again. in case u think somehow it was NOT an expansion.
ur cooked bro
It’s almost like I said very clearly that the dark portal shouldn’t be opened, and that they should use the prepatch of TBC without outlands.
I apologize i missed that pre-patch part. Just so you know they are already using systems from the pre-patch just not all of it.
But im happy to see we do agree. the whole TBC expansion would be a waste of time. 1000%. And yes it is an expansion
Not saying it isn’t an expansion though I phrased it poorly, but it’s an expansion in the same way that classic + would be an expansion, minus the boost in levels. It’s got content that plays into some of the theming, and could be retrofitted to be fresh while reusing some of the same assets.
But yeah, mostly was just after the prepatch changes, since they help with balance loads, and make the PvP systems in the game far more tolerable.
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yea the pvp is absolute garbo at every level in SOD. but yea really not sure why they didnt just pull the stuff from TBC either, i think thats what alot of us where expecting at this point.
Or just … some of the stuff from TBC that was meant for classic like khara and hyjal. I really dont know man. like they already have SOME of the systems…
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I’m just hoping they’re banking a lot of content since they’ve committed to pulling the trigger on classic +… Wishful thinking, but yeah lol. Feeling like WoD in regards to content drops right now, or rather lack thereof. ><
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That’s how they designed the game.
To Summarize, I guess what I want is Classic+ which is effectively SoD + Burning Crusade content and races. Combine both versions of what should have been regular Vanilla. Escape the “TBC” or “Vanilla” and just do an iteration of the game that is 1-60 with all content from Vanilla/SoD improvements and the Burning Crusade. They can even cut the zones nobody cares about from the Outlands or just blend them together a bit further. Like who cares about Blades Edge? Not a soul. Nagrand can be the RP story telling zone it is etc etc. It feels plausible and that it would be well received by the community, as long as they dont drag out the phases from “Vanilla” because most people dont care about AQ at all, they care about Scarab Lord for example. Trim the fat on Vanilla and expand with Burning Crusade content.
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This is the worst take ever, respectfully, they need to do crap all with end game and focus on THE GAME. Classic starts at level 1 which was their mistake, we need emphasis on making the 1-60 game better, new dungeons, new quests chains, making current chains better, new questing areas. None of this phases and 1000% exp buff every phase, the zones being alive is what makes wow great, not speed running your 5th alt to 60 so you can do end game.
did you play tbc its just raid logging as well