Havoc Needs Nerfed

It’s not healthy for the game to have the simplest spec also be the strongest. It creates an atmosphere of jealousy and discontentment for other players when they see someone performing better than them with less risk and less effort.

They are too tanky.
They have too much mobility.
Their single target rotation is also their AoE rotation.
They are too easy to play.
They are great in every area on content (questing, raiding, PvP, dungeons, you name it they are great at it).

If you don’t play Havoc you know and agree they need nerfed. If you play Havoc you think the spec is perfectly balanced which is proof they need nerfed. Anytime players aren’t crying for their spec to be buffed and think it’s balanced it’s a sure sign it’s overtuned.

Please do the right thing and nerf this spec hard in Shadowlands. Make them choose between AoE and single target damage and make them pretty bad at one of them. Make them have to think before using a defensive instead of randomly pressing blur and being fine because they passively heal for 20% of the damage they do. Make them squishy as a trade-off for their hyper-mobility. Give them more buttons and make playing the spec at maximum effectiveness much more difficult.

Thank you.

100 Likes

Incoming demon hunters saying they aren’t the best DPS in the game and therefore balanced

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By that logic, this should always be a problem unless the hardest class to play is performing the best. That sounds like it would be pretty boring.

Why is this a problem? Some people like to play easy specs.

Once again, why?

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i agree. remove demonhunters from the game and give me back my meta.

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Lol for a minute I thought you wanted to take away the havoc spell from my destro lock

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Ahhh, but they’re not the best at RP. Therein lies the balance!

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Questing -> no one cares about this, same as world pvp.
Raid -> they are fine in general, but melee wise they are among the strongest, could use a nerf.
PvP -> I dont pvp much but rated wise its up there with the usual broken duo (mage rogue).
Dungeons -> they are part of the meta, nerfing it here solves nothing, you still have warrior druid and rogue to tune.
Visions -> Highly overtuned, can use some nerfs too.

This is how i see it after my own exp which is pretty better than yours OP and many of the havoc haters.

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100% stilll suprised we kept that after demonhunters came in.

DH should have a 100 dps nerf for everytime that a DH on the forum claim that they are just skilled.

And then when they become the worst dps, they could still try to show us how skilled they are…

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Theres always some1 more skilled than you or me out there, regardless of the spec they play, specially if they mythic raid while you do nothing kekw

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Oh hey another one of these topics.

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You clearly miss the point…

Right now DH are all on their high horse saying that the class isn’t OP and that other people just have to get skilled…

Its way to easy to say that when you class is flawless and dont need skill to do better than other class…

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Roll your own DH, you don’t even have to start at 1.

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The only ones complaining about dh being OP are clueless people with 0 pve exp like you, all of them are LFR heroes, why should i or blizz in this case listen to them? enlighten me.

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Rouges are better. Have more dps and more utility.

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Oh yeah because i didn’t do pve in this expansion its mean that i cant have my opinion…

If you dont care so much about balance then why do you fear that much to be nerf???

I mean since you are sooo skilled you shouldn’t mind being the worst dps spec…

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At least till next expac

I know where dh needs nerfs, you dont, simple as that.

Imagine this, theres a maths conference where all the top tier math minds gathered, you get in there and give your opinion, what makes you think they will care about anything you bring to the table? same happens here m8.

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Rogue dps and utility is close to even with dh.

But rogue get killed easy once they start getting hit compare to DH.

Stop and think for a minute: Why hasn’t Blizzard done any class balancing after raiding has commenced?

Not on the top of their agenda because of the addition of corruption.