My ilevel 111 Shadow Priest with suboptimal azerite traits and stats is able to easily and comfortably sustain 5.1k dps on the 4 target dummies in boralus. My ilevel 133 havoc DH can only sustain 5.2k dps on the 4 target dummies and that is ONLY with the unbound chaos talent, which I hate using, and is doing 23% of my overall damage. Eye Beam, in comparison, is only doing 9.9%.
I don’t know what you guys did in terms of tuning other than remove corruptions and cut 2 seconds off our demonic windows (give that back btw, ffs) but I feel like a havoc dh with over 20 ilevels higher than my priest should be doing more. Probably like 1k dps more.
I assume you will do a tuning pass. Maybe priest is too strong. Maybe DH is too weak. I dunno. But Havoc feels seriously clunky and bad right now and I think Unbound Chaos is one of the clunkiest, worst designed abilities you have ever put into the game. It rarely lands where you need it to even when it really should have. Only reason it was so reliable on the test dummies was because I was right up against a wall and just rammed myself into it to keep me from moving.
EDIT: As I kept going from alt to alt, I am honestly offended at how bad havoc is compared to everything else. ilevel 111 frost DK is sustaining 4.9k dps. 117 ilevel beast mastery hunter 5.8k sustain.
Seriously. Blizz. Why is my fully max geared havoc DH with bis stats (minus a couple pieces from mythic N’zoth) doing equal or less damage than alts with heroic raid or lower ilevels?
Yeah yeah. “It’s pre patch! They will fix it!” except I was putting in bug reports and feedback for this literally over a month ago on the beta and nothing changed.
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welcome to shadowlands dh we got nerf smashed…
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I’m in Beta. Have been since first public wave of Alpha. I understand the mechanical changes and the dumbing down of the spec. What I’m pointing out is that our damage is no where even near competitive currently in the Pre-patch phase of the new “design.” A fully max mythic geared havoc DH shouldn’t be competing or being beaten by the dps of alts literally 20 ilevels lower, especially when we can only hit like ilevel 133 right now.
It’s one thing to gut our class design, but we still need to at least be competitive in damage, which we most certainly are not right now.
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The spec does no damage in beta and it does no damage now in pre-patch. Their nerfs and rework of of the spec pretty much killed it for now until they go in with some tuning changes.
Check out the raid logs so far and count the number of dhs you see on the front page for each boss, can do it with one hand.
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DH is so bad and undertuned that people on the DH discord are discovering that using blade dance is a 100% dps loss. Yes, you heard that right, USING OR SPECING FOR BLADE DANCE IS A DPS LOSS. I have never, in my 12 years, seen this happen to a class, a major ability being completely useless. Raidbots is also showing our best talent setup is 2323131, with stats being Agi > Vers > Crit > Mastery. This is pathetic…
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This is why people have been spamming the make first blood baseline thread. We all saw this coming.
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I have to agree that straight removing the defensive half of blade dance seemed over kill. It could have got reduced to say 30% or 50% dodge as a better starter. Its current form at bare minimum needs its fury cost reduced or probably should have just folded Trail of Ruin talent into it. Currently it is a rather lackluster basic aoe.
Not really sure nether walk or enhanced blur still over take nerfed soul rending though. You can’t really get away from it being mid fight sustain and getting into demon form being more important.
Also feels like Blizz totally missed the issue that momentum builds aren’t viable just for how much you displace your character with fel rush going against many raid and dungeon arenas for bosses or avoiding additional aggro.
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It feels terrible to play Havoc right now. The hardest hitting ability UBC requires at least 3 key presses if you want to use on current target and it may still miss (Why in the world would i want to disengage my target just to use an ability!). Blade dance one of our key abilities is absolute garbage and unusable. As if our class didn’t already lack depth, this is just twisting the dagger. To top it off we are squishy AF and our greatest strengths in PvP were nerfed to the ground or removed completely.
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that other people wanting dh nerf to ground…
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I’m a casual player, but I have to admit… my Havoc DH sucks!! I like doing the Island campaign quests each week. Last night, pulled on my DH, and I died 3 times fighting 1 NPC. Normally, I could take out this NPC and all of his buddies in no time. But 3 deaths, and about 3 minutes to kill the NPC. No thank you!!
I’m afraid to try any other characters.
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Havoc turned to crap sadly 
GG blizz.
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Well I’m happy to hear that it’s not just me lol. I’m getting wrecked out there.
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Sorry DH the QQ ruined you.
Us Rogues know what it is like.
But do not fear you shall rise from the ashes like a Phoenix!!!
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Used to be auto invite to keys, now can barely get in a 13… and scraped the bottom of the damage meters. Feels bad man,
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…1 button meme beam spec…
Blizzard needs to have a Stern talking to the person who thought this abortion was a good idea…
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What do you mean? Your class is the most brokenly op one atm in beta. The QQ is definitely going to be turning it’s sights on you come SL.
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Lies.
That isn’t true.
We Rogues have gone unnoticed.
You can only be a 2-button wonder for so long. See the problem is everyone had a DH alt in BFA.
You have to press more then 2-buttons friend.
Not just you. It’s absolutely depressing how awful playing DH is right now…
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