Yep.
At this point everybody who actually plays the class has long since rerolled. Class tuning must always be about Mages, Shadow priests, Ret paladins and Warriors.
Maybe it will eventually get literally anything in the next expansion, or after another 4-5 rounds of Mage buffs - nerfs into more buffs - nerfs. Or maybe after the 4th Evoker spec.
Maybe then DH will be playable again.
Until then, enjoy permanently sitting in B tier.
The cause is lost brothers. It’s basically like fighting poverty at this point.
Post over. I won’t argue with anybody anymore. You can write your “DH is fine”, “delusional” and whatever else biased replies and then proceed to tab target instakill the guy in some arena or heal his dmg with 1 hand, or meme him in a CC chain.
Suffering for 10 thousand years seems too literal, Illidan was right
Peace.
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It does make me wonder what sort of metrics they use for class balancing
Anyway, apparently mvq had a talk with the dh dev on stream (I couldn’t find it though) so hopefully that means some changes are coming soonish
The 1600 demon hunters hiding behind classic characters continue to spread their propaganda.
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I dunno man, DH seems pretty alright to me as far as melee goes.
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IMO demon hunter has a very specific weakness, the fact that it doesn’t have a root break. It can feel like demon hunters are hyper mobile if you’re playing something that doesn’t have roots, but they are more or less the easiest thing to effectively kite as something like hunter or mage with access to multiple roots.
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Legit curious what about DH is so good atm.
I just about got fully geared and im starting to do games and basically every spec from fury to frost mage to hunter has significantly higher burst and often better sustained.
Chaos strike is hitting for 35kish, blade dance around 40 on most people. I dont think 75k in 2 globals with a minor cooldown on bdance is that amazing?
That’s barely 13% of most people’s health. Eye beam is 175 baseline and 200k if you spend like half entire match stacking the 4 set.
The dot damage is super healable pad damage for a few k a tick.
What is so good about DH?
I’m legitimately asking why anyone here thinks its good atm.
I took one glacial spike for 200k then a ray earlier for around 400k after sitting on a mage and at the end of the match i had 10 million in damage to his 6.5
The issue is its healable damage. Its slow. I cant cc and pop a major and nuke soneone; meanwhile if a hunter or rogue or mage gets even a small window, i can die right there.
I need literally 10 globals to do the damage some specs do in 2 or 3.
Blur also sucks and when it drops DH is unbelievably squishy.
So what makes DH so good?
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If you give a demon hunter uptime, it will keep up with the other melees just fine, even beat things like fury warrior when you have uptime and also get to cleave. The two classes that you listed in your “basically every spec” sentence are the two specs that can just passively keep you out of the game with roots for a long time.
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Right now our class needs work, but its certainly not S tier like some classes that are dominating, its more of a light A tier if played correctly. We are currently slow in attack speed compared to others because we are better build with stacking mastery over haste, but it certainly does make a world of difference in the rotation.
DH is in need of some tuneing, and defensive overhaul.
We currently are married to the blood moon talent, and hoping we can trigger a fodder before we hit 0. Besides that until we hit 30% verse we are kinda at the mercy of getting lucky, but even then we can get olbiterated easily in a chain cc outa meta.
But I would argue there are bigger fish to fry with the balance as a whole in pvp. Right now its like a game of rock, paper, scissors, and some classes brought another rock. Healing is in a more dire state, and the MMR system needs to be wiped off the face of the earth.
Besides that DH can put crazy cleave pressure, and its aoe stuns can break a team down if used wisely.
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I’m playing with a dh with a boomy at 2100-2200 mmr dh/boomy/mw and dh is doing like 65k dps. I don’t think its bad at all. Not with reverse magic, blur, the jump back thing, and flying in the air… Not to mention darkness?
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DH is more than fine atm, It’s only problem is it isn’t immortal. That’s not grounds to get something buffed.
It has insanely high damage still with an extremely loaded kit. It has multiple stuns, purge (aoe talented), fear, incap (unbreakable talented). It has useful team utility in reverse and darkness. Still has an actual immunity frame for some reason and a disarm cleanse just because.
It’s right where it should be, a highly competent spec that isn’t waiting in line for a nerf.
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IDK what’s wrong with the dev, my WW RSK does as much damage as the Hunt, way tankier, way more mobile, has more way to deal with roots, has better self-heal.
Honestly, i think they should remove fake damage like Trail of Ruin and Soulrend, it reminds me of old Unholy where pesky dots is doing 5-6% of their damage.
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DH’s only real problem is Sub Rogue, but that’s more of a Sub Rogue issue than a DH one. If Blizzard ever decides to properly nerf Sub then it will instantly improve DH’s standing as well.
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There’s a build that shuts down sub so no sub isn’t a problem lol. Jesus people act like having no CDs and no trinket isn’t a win condition for everyone.
DH seem all right. Not being overturned does not mean trash.
You should share it with everyone that played DH in the AWC and would auto lose every time a Sub Rogue was pulled out of the stable.
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I’m assuming it has something to do with the auto blur talent that triggers at < 35% health and gives blur 10% more DR. Psure every DH would still die through that, even with sporecloak.
Yeah I was thinking something similar and can only guess he failed to kill a DH running that on his 1400 sub rogue in 2’s and thinks it’s a “counter”.
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DH went three expansions with only 2 specs and Evoker went 2 seasons before they got a third. Get rekt DH nerds
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DH is B+ tier its definitely solid forsure. It needs to have the hunt buffed and maybe a slight buff to deathsweep as well to help be a little more bursty. No reason a 1.5min cd hits less than most classes spammable abilites. That being said, nerfs to ww and some outliers will help make them feel better. You just don’t really dictate or have any agency over any games at higher cr. Also, darkness is probably one of the worst defensives in the game for being a 3-5 min cd.
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