Havoc Demon Hunter continues to be mocked by Developers

i give you facts and you repeat bait, easy ignore

Dh can literally solo some1 100-0 in a chaos nova

I played 3s with a dh last night and it turns out dh is actually decent and all the demon hunter players were trolling.

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Havoc are fine.

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Not trolling necessarily, just that they don’t understand that this isnt DF or SL and you can’t just be an immortal god 24/7 doing infinite dam.

You have to run away once every 5 minutes!

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Thanks for the pro tip. I’ll give it a whirl and see if I can get above 1600, thanks.

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Demon soul eyebeam blade dance combo shreds people.

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How is it false? As a boomy I would trade my defensive kit for DHs in a heartbeat and wouldn’t think twice. Wild charge, skin, renewal for leech, soul frags, double fel rush, passive magic dr+armor, fly, glimpse, blur, dark, and nether? Not even a question.

You DO realize you’re being a hypocrite with this statement as you’re doing exactly what you’re accusing other people of by perpetuating a DH victim complex, yes?

Glad we agree that blur is good/fine. Didn’t even think of meld, but I don’t really count that. Glimpse obviously is insane as well. Darkness also has team-saving applications, though, so it’s not limited to your defensives. Thats like saying “BoP is bad because it can be purged”.

Huh? Feint dr and cheat death are on the same choice node

blur in pvp is still a 70% dodge on a 1 minute cd with a longer duration than evasion WITH a 20% dr baked in AND evasion has a 2 minute CD… blur is literally a better evasion.

Self healing options? Rogue has crimson vial on a 30s cd which only functions as a hot and is less than eating a single soul fragment. Rogues have a fraction of the healing that dh does…

Also, dh has purge, rogue has no purge. What?

Your entire comparison just illustrated my exact point; that dh DOES have better defensives than most classes.

Then you are doing your setup wrong, simple as that. You have two stuns and an incap, and an aoe fear. Dont eyebeam when someone has a stop available and is out of cc.

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When you do it correctly, it will even carry you to 2400. DH isn’t in the best spot right now, but it is also not terrible. Most are simply playing it wrong, DF S3 style and expect to win for free!

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So true, I haven’t really thought about covering my goes with something like fel eruption or isolated prey nova before.

That’s some pretty neat tech, I’ll be sure to give it a try next time I queue up. With these slight few changes I’m sure I can reach the vaunted elite set like I always wanted.

Thanks for being a bro.

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Has a purge that heals you for like 15% of your health and can proc a demon soul that heals for more and gives you +20% damage for x seconds. *

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Blur is 50% dodge, 20% dr, and no, I am not having a victim complex, this is what I am citing h ttps://murlok.io/meta/dps/3v3
wanting to trade boomie defensives for dh defensives doesnt make dh defensives god tier, boomie defensives are pretty terrible too.

Rogue has feint as aoe dr even if they go cheat death

Rogue has an auto bubble, dh has a bubble that has to be used on the gcd and you still take full dots during it (you definitely die 15% of the time inside of it still)

I am sure you did great setups, which is probably the reason you are crying that people are stopping your main burst ability so easily.

Please point to where I’m crying instead of telling someone to stormbolt the DH on eyebeam as to stop the damage.

Projecting your own insecurities on me is kinda crazy buddy.

But hey. Keep punching at them shadows buddy.

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It is still ~70% in pvp. This has been tested and confirmed this expansion. It is scaling with versatility and has since BFA.

“Our rankings highlight the top DPS specializations by combining player ratings and the presence of these specializations in the top 50 of Murlok.io’s 3v3 PvP guides”
The rating system is literally based on a partially biased metric of the website’s own guides… No one is refuting that DH is worse than stuff like feral/outlaw and struggles vs things like jungle.

My point is entirely the commentary about DH defensive kit, which you disagreed with, despite it being better than most other classes which is EXACTLY what I was saying.

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Wait the blur dodge chance scales with versa? Hahahahahah. That’s so stupid.

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I agree murlok isn’t a bible for pure science based arguments (says participation x rating) but it is one of the better tools, if you have a better explanation for why there are 2 DH’s with glad in the world I am all ears
I am so excited to hear why you think DH players are far dumbers than warrior or ret players

Because hard match up specs for us are really strong right now. Rogue, feral, BM, and frost mage are everywhere so our stocks are low since things we’re normally good into that allow higher uptime aren’t played as much.

DH isn’t awful, it’s just not great and the stuff that is great sucks to fight for DH meaning less DH rep since it’s not a free W key win like previous seasons.

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I agree with this but I still think that our sustained st outside meta is really awful and even pve metrics reflect this

Sure, but we’re defensively fine and have really good burst.

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Glad we agree!

DH burst damage is both more telegraphed and lower than fury warrior and it also is more susceptible to peels on its go. Because of this, it requires more work to set up offensively. It also has a higher gcd requirement, which by nature makes it harder to play and leaves gaps, especially among unexperienced DHs.

I never said this, I think that most DH players are used to playing their class the way they did in DF and not having to worry about their defensive kits, though. They are also used to the class being tuned in such a way that just doing the PVE rotation made you outdamage every other class/spec and you’d win by just PVEing, which is no longer the case.

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