Havoc Delve Experiences?

Classes Demon Hunter
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Looking to hear some input from fellow Havoc DH about their experience with the Delves so far? Just wondering how you feel Havoc stacks up in the Delves - what its lacking, what its good at etc. How far have you gotten so far and what is your impression on the scaling?

I know a lot of discussion right now about delve tuning - and some classes being ‘good’ or ‘bad’ for delves - just wondering your impression where havoc DH fit into this category?

I will start by saying for me DH felt great for Delves in most aspects - the only issue I have experienced is sudden survivability/squishiness. I can’t say if this is a DH problem or a tuning issue as many others have noted similar issues.

I was above the ‘recommended’ ilvl so would expect to have had the right amount of armor the mobs were scaled for. I also only noticed this my last/highest delve was tier 7 unbountiful. It didn’t really feel progressive at all. I went from surviving fairly easily in 6 to having to kite mobs to avoid 1 shots in tier 7. Maybe it was a case of going from an ‘easier 6’ to a ‘harder 7’ as I have heard some delves are more challenging than others. I still have a bit of gearing/upgrading to do before I am the recommended ilvl for tier 8, but based on my close call with tier 7 I think I will add at least 10-20 ilvl on top before even bothering to attempt it.

This is pretty minor - but it also feels like we sort of got screwed on how mechanics interact with our abilities - for example in the candle mechanic, jumping and flying with your wings still counts as steps. Fel rushing through pools or webs still count as being inside them even if you finish your fel rush past the danger. Where as a class such as warrior can use their jump ability (and vengeance too for that matter) which is exempt from those issues as far as I noticed, not sure if those abilities count like steps the same way fel rush does.

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I’ve been duoing them with my buddy on his Evoker. I’ve got 3 616 vault choices from delves this week, so we’ve done at least 8 T8bountiful delves… I’ve also done a bunch on my Fury war, and a handful on my rogue. We stopped at T8 cause we’re just trying to prep for M+.

Honestly… we’ve been getting them done but I don’t really enjoy them. I want to… and I LOVE having content me and my buddy can duo w/o finding a whole group.

But they just feel super inconsistent to me. Like sometimes I’m fine with a couple mobs beating on me, then bran will throw his rock own and I get absolutely BLASTED…

Or like, I’ll drop my squid ink to stop incoming damage, and spells/aoes will still absolutely violate me. I have to go out of my way to not use Fel-rush a lot of the times because there just isn’t safe space or I don’t feel safe doing it.

Sometimes when I meta, I literally can’t see some ground effects under my character, and I’ll get bonked by those brown floor spikes… or I’ll fel rush at the exact moment the boss starts channeling his big AOE whirlwind and just get instagibbed.

I think Havoc has some really strong moments in these, the leech comes in huge to help not die. We have some nice utility – but stuns not putting spells on CD makes a lot of that utility feel kinda pointless. Like when the little aoe fear dudes start casting… not much point in stopping them, might as well just move and let them cast.

Our mobility feels like a blessing and a curse. It’s really easy to just die while trying to Fel Rush to get inertia up. Finding the right windows to Eye Beam can be a bit frustrating when you’re duoing, cause you don’t want to make your buddy wait inbetween every pull… so a lot of the times you’re trying to save Immolation Aura/Sigil to line up with Eye Beam and your damage profile looks pretty sad… but then when you can line them all up on a pack it feels pretty good as long as they don’t 100-0 you during eye beam.

I’m lucky cause my healer buddy is kind of a god, so he’s usually on point for saving my bacon even when I’m nearly getting one-two shot a lot of the times. I do think there are some scaling/inconsistency issues… and whatever they did the other day really made running these feel a lot worse.

Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE the inertia rotation. I love how engaging it is. But it almost never feels safe to use, and doing it correctly is basically just competitive damage.

My buddy on his evoker in his healer spec, frequently beats me on damage on a lot of pulls, cause it’s just not safe to deal my damage… and that feels absolutely awful. We’ve had multiple times where I’ve gotten 1shot and then he just solo’d 50% of a boss fight like it was no big deal… and honestly that made me want to alt f4 lmao. I was happy for him being good but it made me feel like pretty useless.

One of the other things I’m feeling harshly in these delves – I have multiple 30-40 second CDs to line up, and a 4-10 second window to optimize my damage output. The tolerances for that are pretty tight… and on top of that, it’s super risky to do with all the things to avoid. So I’m frequently having to miss out on damage to not kill myself on things.

It kinda feels like I’m playing these things on hard mode. I’m all for the challenge I guess, but it is a bit demoralizing.

I’m loving Havoc from a playstyle standpoint, but I also feel like I’m having to sweat a great deal more for the same performance as other classes at a much higher risk without much reward for it.

I know I could use the low mover spec and all that, but I really do love the core rotation of the inertia spec. I don’t know how they go about fixing it. I know this is prolly just a skill issue on my end, so I’m trying to improve. It is a bit disheartening though.

TL;DR I’m getting them done… but they’ve felt really inconsistent to me… and while I want to love them dearly I think if I could get the same rewards from M0’s I’d probably rather be doing those since they’re a little more consistent feeling – though I have a lot of similar issues with Havoc in general in terms of feeling like the game is just way harder to play Havoc than most other specs.

Also as a side note, I have been getting absolutely violated on RNG. I’ve gotten like 3 cloaks, 2 bad trinkets, some bad rings, and a bad belt out from my coffer keys. That’s probably been the worst part. My buddy has gotten like 4 hidden chests, and super lucky on almost every piece he’s gotten. It’s been pretty troll. Hopefully the vault is nicer to me. I just used them to upgrade my old gear for just valor*stones cause I’m trying to keep my secondaries in shape.

I mostly just play it cause it’s fun, and hopefully my friends think it’s funny when they see my corpse sailing across the room like a fel skidmark.

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Fighting damage sponge mobs like the hammerhead sharks in the underwater delve is way worse on my DH than my caster.

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+1 on consistency issues. I’ve only gotten 1 t8 done with a lot <5% heartbreakers. While my play is pretty much the same, last bosses are varied, and Brann yo-yos between WTH is he doing to being clutch.

Overall, I think the kit is fine, but there is some overtuning on non-elite trash in 7+. Find myself waiting for certain CDs between pulls.

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Pre the Delve hotfixes this week, i was able to solo all of my +8 delves, but our dps is lacking.
My issue more is with the spec in general is that the necessary momentum builds make things hard in tight corridors to actually maximize DPS while dodging extra packs and obstacles.

We have good kiting capability if Brann isn’t a dumbass, and we have good utility in interrupts and stuns.

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Pretty easy imo, so far done everything solo up to tier 10 and zekvir. Leech doesn’t feel nearly as strong as it did last expansion. If you don’t shatter many souls some encounters can be a pain to heal through. maxxing the immo talent that gives armor is 10x better than the parry talents on the suggested wowhead builds since auto attacks are hitting so hard.

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Just killed normal ? Zekvir as havoc with a priest friend. Going to kill him again solo sometime this week (assuming work isn’t crazy and I have time).

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It’s a lot easier as Vengeance.

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Is it? I have never played vengeance. Maybe I will try it. I have done a couple 8’s as havoc and waiting for CD’s makes it pretty straight forward

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It’s slow and steady. You really don’t have to worry about dying in 8’s after the nerfs.

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Brann as a healer?

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Yup. /10 char.

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I was doing trash as Havoc and boss in Vengeance. It’s slow, but I never went below 80% on any boss.

After 605 ilvl I just stay Havoc now, and it feels ez pz.

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I successfully solod a t9 while being 20ilvl down before realizing you could do them in a group. Was a real pita though. The one with all the mushroom enemies. The sheer amount of kiting made it possible while waiting for branns lazy a$$ to actually use his healing spells. More of a marathon playstyle instead of sprint.

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Can do tier 8 delves no worries as Havoc… have completed up and including tier 11 solo as Vengeance, but cannot for the life of me do Zekvir ?? difficulty on the DH.
it’s not bad if you pay attention.

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Have done Deathless T11 and Zekvir ?? as Havoc. I find it fairly easy, we have a pretty good delve kit imo. Nice self healing, and Meta makes taking on a big pack pretty easy.

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i have cleared all the way up to 11 and Zekvir ?? with ilvl 611 pve gear, the 11 and ??? require at least 620 id say but its very doable, i have soloed them all.

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Its doable just is a little more difficult than other classes it seams less dmg and more dmg taken

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My demon Hunter is my fifth character at level 80. Thanks to all the war band gear all my alts end up around ilvl 590 right when I get to Max level. Havoc Demon Hunter is by far the worst I’ve experienced so far. Hunter was super easy. Priest and evoker had no issues with t8s. But my demon hunter feels like it’s getting hit by a truck.