Same lol. But yeah, when WoW launched, Blizzard kind of cringed away from the nuance of their previous games, and tried retell the story with retcons that were thrown on like a bandaid, which only serve to contradict and confuse their lore.
Now all I can imagine is Eitrigg telling some young orc born on Azeroth how they use to be peaceful as his mind goes back to probably watching Shatterhands slicing off their own hand shoving a sword into the socket or Blackrock weapons melting other orcs. âYou know, just some border fights every now and then, nothing serious. Mostly peaceful.â
There is zero way Nightborne were going to the Alliance. That would make Legion exclusively an Alliance xpac. I believe the reason Nightborne went Horde is again for faction parity.
Iâm pretty sure Nightborne went Horde because of Alleria and the void elves. Gotta keep the factions equally elven.
I mean, maybe orcs just have a very different idea of what âpeacefulâ means. Itâs kind of like that scene from Lord of the Rings âLooks like meat is back on the menu, boyâ Where they just eat that orc. As if thatâs totally normal orc behavior. I know that Tolkien orcs and WoW orcs are VERY different, but its just that there could be a different sense of humanity. Or just that they have a skewed idea for what peace actually means, as a consequence of their cultural background.
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Faction parity makes things difficult from a story telling standpoint.
I donât think Blizzard honestly cares about the story at this point. The above retcons kinda drive that point home. Pleasing the masses and keeping people playing are the only things they seem to care about and they have a very odd way of doing even that ![:man_shrugging:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/man_shrugging.png?v=6" ":man_shrugging:")
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If this has been their goal, they havnât been doing a good job. I donât think anyone wanted the War of Thorns. Except Human Paladin RPers.
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Hence I say they have an odd way of doing it. But I think you have to remember, a lot and I mean a lot of people donât care what they kill as long as good loot is dropped from it.
A lot of people donât even care about what theyâre doing, they just want it to be done quickly and get loot at the end.
People say this, but I donât think they wanted it either. They wanted to take Lordaeron and kill Sylvanas, nothing else.
Not necessarily a WoW change, but a WC3 change (not surprising, they have overlapping stories and development). It all started with tweaking Doomhammerâs story. They tried to frame him as more of a hero, who defeated his enemies in honorable combat. When originally he was more of a sneaky liar who would use ambushes to win.
Itâs extremely hard for me to get invested in a story and universe when the writers and developers change things on a whim. I have lost pretty much all respect for Blizzard now. Anything we believe to be true for years and years can be changed because they feel like it regardless of what has come before.
It makes trying to debate lore and the story on here difficult. I canât trust anything Blizzard says anymore. For all we know, Calia could be a secret Cult of the Damned worshiper by this time next year because Blizzard thinks it would be cool or make Hogger our one true savior and all these years heâs just been sadly misunderstood.
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This right right here, itâs kinda sad how this has turned mostly into, who will be right in the end to mock those that said otherwise.
Which is why the faction war is poison
This is the worst part of the pervasive anime fanfic-grade storytelling and constant retconning for the sake of short term shock value. It cheapens the story and the events we participate in throughout the expansions to the point of absurdity. Itâs difficult to take the story seriously when even Blizzard wonât.
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Yes. More importantly, the fact that theyâre so incredibly free with retcons and throwing consistency out the window in general ruins things for me. You canât get invested in stories or characters when the writers will just completely change them around willy-nilly. If Blizzard hasnât soured a lore moment for someone by retconning it to be substantially different, itâs only because they havenât gotten around to ruining that moment yet.
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- Warsong raiding against the Ogres because the Ogres had taken there lands and resources while they had the Orcs subjugated.
Thatâs a farcry from calling a clan âwar-likeâ as its a response to oppression and not a depiction of them prior to that condition ( in the same manner we wouldnât call concentration camp uprising as an act of aggression)
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Frostworld warred with the thunderlords, not a particularly special event to classify an entire race as war-like.
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Bleeding hallow moved to tanaan 800 years before the first war, and ever since doing so were constantly attacked by the arrakoa and genosaur. The Arrakoa in particular almost made the bleeding hallow extinct until Killrogg came along.
again defending yourself from a myriad of enemies does not classify you as the aggressor in my books and so i wouldnât call you be war-like in that confrontation.
- The shattered hand did what they did for survival, they did not cut off there hands because they like to fight, they did so as a show of unity with the one Orc responsible for there freedom, and to show that they had payed the price for that freedom.
Again it was WoD that flipped the script on this backstory for the Orcs and it was WoD that makes cinematics like old soldier and the lines of dialogue between Saurfang and Garrosh be incongruent with the new back story of the Orcs.
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It would seem you missed a very important part of my post. Here, let me repost it for you.
It was like 90% in self defense though, which now come to think of it seems way out of wack there being assaulted way too much in Old warcraft lore.
I could list the number of other retcons this one retcon spawned⌠The perceived power of the Orcish Clans alone, Garona status from a Half-Human to a Half-Draenei, the length of Medivhâs Coma, the doing away with certain human rituals mentioned in the original manual, the orc rape camps supposedly set up which would have spawned even more half orcs⌠(A future allied race that is no longer meant to be)âŚ
But Iâll look at it from a more basic perspective⌠this was the among the first retcons, if not the first - which gave Blizzard permission to do all other retcons which RADICALLY changed the narrative. I donât like it on the base level of what it represents⌠them changing something that didnât need to be changed and now the entire story has to pivot because of it.