When I started playing M+ this week on Fortified (+4-6 level) as a tank I did double-group-pulls as normal, until it became apparent that even at higher ilvls, PuG DPS don’t use stops and PuG healers don’t know their class well enough for good HPS throughput. The double pulls were fine for me damage-wise as a tank, but the rest of the party chainwiped on the double mobs and lost any efficiency gains.
One example is the first pull in Brackenhide Hollow: (3 mobs + Warscourge + mobs near the first cage). First time I ran it this week I pulled all 7: DPS and Heals chain-died, switched to single-group-pulls for rest of dungeon. For every other group, I just pulled the 3 mobs…and then usually a Hunter or a ranged DPS pulls the other 4. Chain-deaths.
It’s getting to the point where I have to start dungeons saying “don’t pull ahead of me or I will be very sad.”
“Don’t make me push my buttons!”
They do this in every difficulty, from leveling to normals to heroic. Some players are good at pulling for the tank, but many are not and don’t know the difference. Meanwhile dungeons take a lot longer because the healer runs around pulling packs that we already skipped, etc.
Maybe if the group wants to go “fast” the DPS will pull, but most people I’ve tanked for let me pull at a constant rate.
I find that DPS tend to have itchy trigger fingers more than anything. They want me to pull multiple packs don’t want to wait until I have them rounded up and holding threat. Then I have to run around and pick-up the runaways that are pushing the DPS’ s*** in.
Its atleast somewhat reaffirming that when the group let’s me pull and tank the way I need to, the healers mana barely moves. But when the DPS jump the gun, the healer’s mana is burned just trying to keep them alive.
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As a tank when you try to time keys you need to be thoughtful of the dps and what they can handle.
Think about it like this, when you pull one mob at a time when do I use my cds? Never. I wait until make a pull which warrants me using cool downs. If you don’t do your job I will pull ahead let you get agro then pop my cds.
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and I really hope you’re not defending them. People who pull for me more than once when I ask them not to get their key bricked. No ifs ands or buts. Do NOT pull for me, thanks. I know the route, I didnt ask for your help. Yes, I can see when your CDs are, but esp. on fortified weeks,–I’m not going to make some massive pull and die just so you can wet your knickers over your stupid parse.
and melee? please for the love of everything that’s holy–WAIT til mobs are in position before you go ham? I swear demon hunters are the freakin worst about this.
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This is why I like to tank in FFXIV than in WoW. When DPS pull in a FFXIV, they run it to you. If you are pulling as a DPS, please just run it to me so I can get it, I hate chasing DPS in a dungeon cause it wastes time and can cause more mobs to be pulled.