Haste Potions 18g Each - Bots to Blame, nothing done by Blizzard

You could always not use consumables, they are not required at all.

I would argue the only one even semi-required would be mana pots

Variety of ways. This game is full of NEETs lol.

Lol thats not true at all. Ive done many of what you mentioned and they give pennies its hardly worth the time. The best competitive means of acquiring gold outside of gdkps and mage farms are farmed by bots sadly.

It’s not rocket science. The ridiculous argument that bots are not hurting the game is not even remotely sound logic and it’s cover for anyone doing the activity. “Instance farming” only affects a minor portion of the resources. The best farming spots are open world by far. When those nodes are exploited… there is no other option but to go to an inflated auction house which they, along with the rest of the exploiters now have destroyed by using addons simply buying up the items on there and inflating prices. That is not LEGAL in any legitimate economy. You do know that… right? It’s called price fixing. There is a simple solution to the addon problem. Once an item is bought it would be BOP. Re-selling would stop. The other one is completely controlled by blizzard by software tools to enforce the ToS by blizzard. Why they haven’t introduced an automated tool to remove someone who is clearly botting by using a script is beyond me.

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Thank you… Of course I’m not defending bots. Kerg pointed out at least one of the ways they directly harm the game, by devaluing traditional professions/farms because they can’t keep up with the injection of supply from the bots. But the reason they’re devalued is because the value of their outputs is reduced because consumers won’t pay as much for them anymore because they can get cheap bot produced alternatives, so to simultaneously blame them for higher prices is just silly… Its very analogous to similar situations in the real world. A means of automation comes along that can produce a comparable good (or service) at a higher rate, allowing them to undercut traditional producers who can’t hope to keep up.

Yes bots are massively hurting the game. It makes gold farming a much more difficult time for the average player. One that often leads to third party websites and a paypal.

So now you’re alleging that there’s a vast bot conspiracy? So what’s really going on is every.single.bot. on a server is controlled by the same entity who controls so much of a server’s money supply that they’re able to single-handedly control the markets on all major consumables. Right man. Seems totally plausible. Is Alex Jones doing a wow segment now?

This is like claiming mass production makes products more expensive. What are you kids learning in school?

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… this isn’t a conspiracy theory.

Doing quests is hardly “pennies” and the dailies being added in a couple hours are something like 70g a day/character for a few minutes of questing.

You are dumb.

“This is like claiming mass production makes products more expensive. What are you kids learning in school?”

You are comparing apples and oranges. Mass production is about supply and demand. TBC has a limited supply of materials vs. time and it’s fixed.

I’m gonna try one more time then just assume you’re not capable of continuing this discussion… Obviously bots exist. Obviously they’re not good. But to allege that theres some vast army of bots all coordinating with each other to keep prices artificially high is crazy talk. Especially considering people have given a number of much more plausible explanations for the recent increase in prices which you can’t seem to read through the slits in your tin foil mask.

Did bearhands deny the existence of bots? No. Let’s see what he said

So now you’re alleging that there’s a vast bot conspiracy? So what’s really going on is every.single.bot. on a server is controlled by the same entity who controls so much of a server’s money supply that they’re able to single-handedly control the markets on all major consumables. Right man. Seems totally plausible. Is Alex Jones doing a wow segment now?

Okay, so any evidence of that?

No, you just posted that bots exist. Which…yes we are all aware of

When your head is in the sand…

Except many materials have an unlimited supply in instances and also why many materials have continued to decrease in cost until a new surge of demand appears with ssc/tk and new crafting patterns. I have sold several primals for twice the cost today…am I part of the botting conspiracy?

Lets pretend for a second that instances don’t exist and TBC actually does have a limited supply of materials (it doesnt but lets pretend.) In one scenario you have a team of 10 humans who go out and hand-pick all your apples, but inevitably they only get to about 80% of them until the next season when a new apple would have grown anyway. In the other, you have a team of 50 robots who pick 99% of your apples every time. You’re clearly getting more apples in the second scenario, even if the number of apples you grow each season is fixed.

Thats about as basic as I can explain it short of crayons and sock puppets.

Sir, this forum doesn’t appreciate you bringing subtle concepts such as “nuance” around. What kind of communist word is that anyway? Don’t you know where you are boy? This is Boomer WoW, we don’t use “nuance”

Get out of here.

“Lets pretend for a second that instances don’t exist and TBC actually does have a limited supply of materials (it doesnt but lets pretend.) …”

You’re right… that is pretend. It is fixed. There are a set amount of herbs that spawn in locations. Bots exploit that. In the fantasy world where bots pick your herbs for you and you pay less… hey we’d be all better off. In reality, they form bot teams to exploit zones on fixed timers. After they’ve picked everything… they are re-selling the materials at inflated rates and ALONG with the AH scammers exploiting the economy it is ruining it. The big catch is… most of the bots are ALSO the same bunch buying up materials and inflating their own goods. There is NO denying this. You may choose to… but it is a bubble and it’s false logic.

So how does it cause the price of materials to go up?