Has WoW really declined from 7m to 1m this year? (Data provided)

Is that money strictly from WoW?

Or is it a combination of WoW, D2 sales, D3 sales, Hearthstone, Heroes, Starcraft, and Overwatch?

Plus whatever services/cosmetic fluff they sell through the in-game cash shop?

That’s exceedingly questionable, and I do not believe at all.

By the end of MoP(…10’ish years or so) they announced 100 million accounts created. Given that it’s probably heavily front-loaded, I doubt they’re terribly much higher really. Maybe 125 million all told?

Of course, an interesting takeaway from that(…given MoP had like 7 million subscribers give or take at the time?) is that WoW has been losing millions and millions of players every year since launch. Even during the golden years.

Correct. The bulk of their income comes from WoW subscriptions + shop related services because most of their other franchises have fizzled out. It’s why they keep shoving out Classic, Classic BC, Retail updates, and now Classic Fresh to keep the cash register flowing with their other games being delayed.

Next year they’ll repeat the process, but with WOTLK classic, new WoW expansion, and probably Classic Fresh 2.0.

Hmm, well that figure is obviously from 2014 which is 7 years ago. Im not sure what ‘heavily frontloaded’ means in this regard. But however you cut it, between 2014 and 2021 there would have to have been a lot more accounts created in that time.

I am not talking subscribers, so bringing that up is irrelevant. I am comparing the figure the person quoted for Final Fantasy comparatively to the ones quoted by Blizzard.

Means people are far more likely to join a new game than an older one. Like when you look at sales for things, you see a spike on release and then a big drop off. Meaning if 100 million people had joined by 2014, that 400 million more wouldn’t have joined by 2021. The bulk of users who would/have/will play are already in that 100 million count.

I was only talking about subscribers as an interesting aside that can be pulled from the numbers. FFXIV only ever releases accounts created though. Despite some people seemingly thinking that it means active players for whatever reason.

That’s total accounts, not active subscribers.

World of Warcraft has over 100 million of them.

Which is funny, because FFXIV has a much larger cash shop than WoW does.

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Its difficult to tell what the account creation patterns might be, its purely a raw statistic since creating an account does not guarantee ongoing income. And yes, many people seem to feel that the 24 million figures means 24 million subscribers, which it obviously isnt. Anymore than 100 million accounts is 100 million subs.

It would be interesting to know how many subs FF has atm. Its obviously doing well - which I dont have any issues with, good to luck to any producers of decent games - but its difficult to tell its health without pure numbers.

Blizzard stopped reporting subscriber counts and switched to a MAU (monthly active user) which encompasses all Blizzard games when Overwatch + Heroes of the Storm launched because it better represents how many people are playing their games. That doesn’t mean they were hiding anything because their MAU and yearly revenue basically went up +50-100% when Overwatch + Legion launched.

Indeed. The MAU is a much nicer figure for their reporting purposes. I wonder if they count the WoW MAUs to include Classic and Classic TBC or if they are counted separately…

Nobody really knows. It’s fairly vague. At its peak it was at 45 million and it’s down to like 26-27 million (what it was before Overwatch launched) because Blizzard drags their feet with launching new titles. They also need to start getting involved with creating mobile games + new IPs.

The last reported number for WoW subs was 10.1 million at the start of Legion, which was stated by Tom Chilton in an interview with the Polish gaming magazine, Pixel.

Of course when pressed for a follow-up, Blizzard stated that it is policy not to discuss WoW sub numbers, but they never actually denied the number that Chilton stated.

So the title is a lie, you don’t actually have any data to back any of this up.

No you read it wrong, it shows over total players 1 million for wildstar, but it says next to it daily players was at 0. The daily players are the one you should be looking at, the 1 million means overall time since it was released. Go to the WoW one and it shows total players at 116 million, but the daily players next to it says around 1.1 million. The 116 million is how many players wow has had all time since release. The daily players is the one you need to look at. Scroll down further and it shows the graph of 7 million players for wow on release of Shadowlands down to aroudn 1 million now.
Like here scroll down and look at the graphs, https://mmo-population.com/r/wow

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Please edit your comment to show the WoW one and not Wildstar, people are thinking that is the WoW one in the comments and others are misreading it thinking that it means there are 1 million active players for wildstar now, when in fact is means over all time wildstar was out, and it says next to that number how many active players now is 0. You have to tell people that. Most comments here are refering to your misleading graph, why on Earth did you link wildstar a game that shut down ages ago? Was it a mistake, or are you just here to troll the forums?

Sorry, it’s not my responsibility to read for others.

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Read me a story, beak!

The one with the fluffy duck, again! :duck:

Okay so you linked the Wildstar one to troll the forums, the site also disproves any data it has on WoW by linking Wildstar too, since it says Wildstar had a big surge in players twice in 2021 despite the game shut down in 2018 and is no longer playable. So why should we trust any data on it about wow?

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wow so we’re just using the word “data” to mean anything now huh

I mean, Shadowlands is a garbage expansion. I doubt SL ever had 7m to begin with.

It is more balanced than Legion and BFA. People were running triple outlaw rogue in BFA. If you don’t wanna believe it, that’s on you.

Sure!

There once was a duck named Duck.
Duck never gave a pluck.
But one day WoW marketing captured Duck
Then put him on the store for 25 bucks.

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