Quick history… I began playing the second week after Vanilla launched (Hunter, Mage then Warrior) and played every week of my life until somewhere half way through Pandaland…
I’ve been trying to satisfy my excitement for Classic’s return by watching and reading different videos and guides and, inevitably, I get to the “Pre-Raid BiS” part of these deals. In every single one (especially anything melee DPS) there is a common theme in every single one … “This is BiS… BUT… it wont be easy to get because you will be rolling against every DPS Warrior, Ret Pally, Enh Sham, Hunter, Feral Druid, Rogue in the group not to mention the other guy that hit need by mistake”…
Now, maybe this is just a Mandela Effect or something, but, I swear I do not remember it even being remotely considered good etiquette to roll on the lower tiered Armor Class gear - at least without asking the player, that doesn’t have the choice to roll on higher armor class items, what his needs are first.
Is this going to be a thing in Classic… If I main a dps warrior or hunter can I just assume a need roll on Truestrike Shoulders is acceptable if they drop??
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It was not so during Vanillas true run, but society in general has become more self centered.
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Most people posting here have been influenced by Ion’s old guild’s prescriptions for What Everyone Must Do, which included only tanks paying any attention to armor type beyond “can I equip it.”
The thing about vanilla is communicating with your group will be necessary in order to complete the content so you’ll be able to discus that before any looting even happens.
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hunters ‘need’ everything, that’s all I remember
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It just feels dirty to me… I mean I haven’t decided on what I’m doing yet but I’ve reserved a name for a 3 of my original classes. That said, I just cant see myself pulling the trigger like that on some poor Rogue who has run BRS for the millionth time and finally sees them.
You will feel the sting of the old system and the old arguments we used to have. Ninja on the drop item… The tank that takes everything.
To be clear, I’m not talking about the actual “ninja” player or even the tank that’s “rolling because main spec is DPS”…
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Okay good luck getting hit capped
Show me a full set of plate in p1 that will get you to 9%
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Every melee weapon used to be a Hunter Weapon, so don’t think things have changed much.
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Can’t say I can recall every piece of gear that ever dropped in vanilla… but I do remember people were able to clear raids just fine without screwing people out of the only gear they have an option of wearing.
I mean is it really THAT big a deal in phase 1 if your not pushing for “World First” or “Hardcore”? Why is min-maxing “Pre-Raid” that important? I just don’t remember it that way.
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There are two melee dps characters a rogue and a fury warrior
The best shoulder for both of them drops
Your reasoning that it “belongs” to the rogue hinges on ( correct me if I am wrong) The rogue only wears leather?
Yeah they only have one job; dps…
Warriors can tank so they get plate aaaand they dps so they can also wear leather…
Why does one person deserve the gear more?
It’s just something that has to be worked out between the players on a case by case basis, IMO. Opinions on this issue vary by quite a bit. My thought is to usually err on the side of passing to the person who can’t use armor any higher. Loot comes and loot goes, and it’s usually not worth the drama or getting a reputation as a loot harlot.
There are exceptions, though. If you are running an instance specifically for that piece, and wouldn’t be running it otherwise… you probably should bring it up before the run starts so one of you can leave if there is disagreement.
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Its kind of a nooby way to look at gear.
just because something is epic doesn’t make it better than a blue
Just because you can wear plate doesn’t make all plate the best option…
I suppose because, and maybe I’m wrong, that the warrior has a few more option open to him. Sure the 2% hit and +24 AP are fantastic stats and very useful for a warrior. But the rogues options are limited.
I’m honestly only reflecting on memories of the past and commenting on how I feel like this change is new and not something that existed “back in my day”.
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The way I like to run my instances is:
Need before greed.
If you are going to equip the item, and it is better than what you have, for the role you play, then you roll need.
All other rolls are greed (or shard).
So, in a 5 man, you’re competing against 1 or 2 people probably, not every class you listed.
YMMV, and everyone is free to run their own groups how they like. This is just my way. I suggest if you’r running with PUGs to have a /p macro outlining the loot rules. Post it before the run starts and get everyones positive affirmation before you start.
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This IS something I remember being a thing…
At least you give the poor dude a chance to decide if he wants to stay. Which, if I’m honest and put myself in a rogues shoes, I probably would stay. I mean a 50/50 shot is better than a 0/0 shot sitting in Org looking for another group…
The argument is this. Rogues can only wear leather. Warriors can wear plate, mail, and leather, so there are three times as many chances for gear for them out there. So it’s only fair that the rogue should get it because he has only 1/3 of the options. Additionally, others would argue that Blizzard intended for rogues to wear leather and warriors to wear plate, so warriors should stay in their lane.
It was controversial then, and it’s going to be controversial now. Like I said, opinions on this matter vary wildly, so it’s just something that has to be worked out between the players.
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This is how I played too.
But I recently saw people trying to justify rolling ‘need’ on something BOE that drops that’s worth money because, and I quote, “everyone NEEDS money and it’s BOE”.
Like…isn’t that the definition of greed?
Things have changed since I played.
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need before greed, if you can use it you can roll for it
Armor class is 100% irrelevant unless you’re a tank and to my knowledge there isn’t a reason to not take plate in this case as you shouldn’t expect lower armor classes to really appeal to the tanking role.
As a resto shaman, though? You bet your butt I’m jumping on some of that leather and cloth, boy did they ever do mail dirty with regards to healing.