Elitism doesn’t design the hamster wheel of gatcha mechanics, RNG, time gated content, or alt hostility.
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Nope, not from what ive experienced.
There’s a common denominator there.
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Then maybe you’re being toxic to them and not realizing it. I’ve found the most toxic folks often lacking self awareness.
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Ah yes, the +10 heroes who try to mimic MDI and then go on vile rants about how everyone but them is trash and blah blah.
I love those. Don’t miss them at all.
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Yep! Exacly. Like I said 15+ isn’t perfect, but I have rarely had issues joining or inviting people to groups.
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Not as much as it ruined Classic. 
Brack laughing ominously in the distance.
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They don’t realize why their groups always fall apart is them. I legit never run into this at any keystone level. Yet somehow it’s a miracle, ALL of their groups go this way. They’ll never admit they’re the problem because of the self awareness issue; you’re always the hero of your own story so you couldn’t possibly be the bad guy here.
Oh you mean like a tank doing a bad pull in a 17 and causing a wipe then blaming DPS because he didn’t know how to pull but leaves the key to depreciate? So thats not toxicity?
That’s called leaving out of shame and being embarrassed. I’ve seen it in super high keys and low keys.
pulls too much
splat
ducks head in shame closes wow
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Thats still crappy behavior no matter how you frame it.
I’d then argue you can’t quantify elitism that easily.
I don’t think anyone would argue that it wasn’t bad behavior. It’s just the implication that this is more common in higher keys. In my experience, and in the experience of others who have posted, and honestly in the experience of everyone I know who does M+… this happens far far more frequently before 15 than it does after.
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Not entirely for sure. You can, however, know that someone setting standards for a group in and of itself is not not elitist.
the opposite. we have become weak and soft to any whisper that we might not be the best there is.
that’s what’s destroying retail. weak men with strong egos.
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People like to misuse lots of words, and drive them into the ground, until they have zero meaning. Elitist is just one of many.
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Yet it encourages an elitist attitudes.
If you fail or screw up, you’re weak or nothing.
You might not say it but that is the fear in the back of everyone’s head performing in that group.
People who are highly successful at one things often misjudge their capabilities in other areas of expertise, see Dunning-Kruger. A lot of people who are really good at playing (or designing!) games have a tenuous grasp of how human nature works.
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Disagree.
Sorry, but I am not responsible for what people may think in their head.
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IMO, elitism is a natural result of how the game is designed. I don’t blame the players.
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