I’m with this… Also if it’s Friday or Saturday night when I log to play…, I may or may not be intoxicated. This sometimes greatly improves or worsens my play…
Explain to me how 10k+ is reasonable, when every dps in 346 gear can achieve 20k+…? We are not here for you to learn, sit your lazy self on a training dummy until you’re not complete trash.
You mean to tell me, THEY HAVE TO TRY???
ZOMFG NO WAI…. 
We’re all doing this.
If we have to try, so do you, or you get the boot.
You say every 346 can do 20k+ when only 59 people in the 346-348 bracket were able to achieve this on Al’Akir during all of phase 2?
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I’m doing 25k-30k in protocols, if I see a dps doing 10k, I don’t care. I’m doing enough to cover them.
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Achieving it, and being capable of it are 2 different things.
Being bad at video games is more common than not. That’s all you’ve said.
No you’re not, lol.
These dungeons still take forever even with 3 of my own raiders doing 30-35k in every protocol.
Sub-15k for me, you get the boot, I try not to pug, but if I have to, I have standards.
Why should I sit through these LONG dungeons watching you do sub-par(based on your own capabilities) dps while the rest of us have to try harder to carry you through it… I don’t know you, you’re not my friend, you’re not even on my server 1/2 the time. DELUSIONAL.
And your standards are wrong, but you do you.
I’ve gotten 310 fragments already, all entirely from pug runs, alot of dps doing under 20k and even falling off the ship in deadmines.
Well I am, because every dungeon has been completed.
Don’t care if it’s been completed. Never said that was my standard “completion” you go do you in your slow dungeons and carry people, I’ll continue to try to blast these and waste as little time as possible, this is not interesting content and we’re all getting screwed by blizzard being lazy.
As far as my standards being “wrong” everyone’s standards are subjective, so 
at that idiotic comment.
Yeah I’ve seen how much time trying to blast the dungeon saves, dps sitting in chat spamming for pumper groups for a good hour. So much time saved.
Because you don’t have full raid buffs, your groups are rarely optimized, you don’t get to ignore mechanics when your lower geared, you should be using globals on CC/utility when appropriate, etc.
Im not saying 10k is good, but i would rather have 10k and doing the mechanics than 15k and standing in bad, not kicking, etc.
Also, i do around 20k in dps on my dps on non aoe.
The lower geared dps still have mana issues on casters due to how long the fights are now, which lowers their dps.
Doesn’t matter, didn’t mention you need them.
Nobody mentioned this either.
Cool story.
This reason is EXACTLY why the dps needs to not be trash, mana issues also relate to HEALERS, do you really think if you’re running these (with how long the fights have been taking with 25-30K+ dps) 346ilvl healers AND 12-15k dps, that the healers won’t just OOM and it’s a wipe?
There are reasons for my standards, and making everyone else in the dungeon’s life easier is my top priority, by doing MY job the best I can.
Saving poor geared healer mana, by kicking dog-water dps saves the group in the long run from many wipes and wasted lives.
It’s actually ASTONISHING seeing all of these posts defending poor play.
It’s really not THAT hard to try your best.
If you’re doing 10k dps with 346ilvl, you are 100% most CERTAINLY NOT doing your best.
Lower dps isnt always from poor play.
Had a pug tank that never waited for the mage in our group to get mana back, the mage did over 20k dps on the first pull, and his dps got worse and worse because the tank never let him get mana and he was running on fumes for mana when the tank pulled the first boss with the mage at 5% mana.
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You’re also assuming that myself or whoever else doesn’t check for things that would screw that person over. Same goes for tanks pulling with an OOM healer. You can’t hold that against them and I agree, this is not okay. However, excluding margins for error like your point, MY point still stands.
The 95th percentile in warcraftlogs for 346-348 only has 5 dps specs averaging 20k+ and most are barely scraping the 20k mark. I get wanting to go fast and get it done, but 15-20k is more than reasonable for people using it to gear up.
Never said 15-20 wasn’t reasonable.
Citing logs just proves that 20k with 346 is attainable.
If it’s possible you should try, like everyone else.
What should a 346 fire mage do with no raid buffs and low crit do? Guess if your trying to catch up and your item level is low you only get to play ele sham or survival hunter since there floor is so high.
All I hear is whiny excuses.
Get off your high horse YOU are not better then any body else . When you kick some one you just wasted half hour of there time where if you did not kick them , instance mite of taken you 5 hole min. longer .
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So you’re saying if you level an alt and arent fully decked out in bis we should kick you?
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That’s cute, you think it would take me almost the entire dungeon to notice that they’re awful, lmao
No, but I consider MY time more valuable than someone who doesn’t care if he’s even trying’s time.
5 minutes eh?
You’re not great at time…
Nope, I’m saying if I level an alt and I’m 346 ilvl doing 10k dps, you kick me, and I say “fair enough, I’m clearly not trying”
Like, this 346 argument is fine and all, but do you people even realize how many people I (and many others I’m sure) have run into geared above 360ilvl doing sub 12k dps? It’s mind melting - These people are begging to be kicked without lazy they are… it’s insanity.