Is it too early to talk about how hard or easy H Gallywix is? The fight is almost completely moving out of void zones. Tank soaks extra bombs. Giga coils are identical to normal mode. There’s rotating lasers while his shield is up. The only thing I can see them nerfing is the dmg from the black blood cone attacks in P1.
Seems like a healer intensive fight but everything else is easy
It’s an amazing fight as a healer but for other specs probably pretty boring.
You do need to stay atop of bombs nonstop throughout the fight.
I tried it for the first time in a PUG and there were almost as many healers as DPS and they were each carrying their weight at about 2m HPS. Is that normal for this fight?
Yes, once people are more geared you will be able to cut down on it.
Yet at the moment it’s pretty normal to see something like 2-6-14
this horrible boss needs to be nerfed into the ground already, its literally unpuggable at this point
We had a ton of fun progressing H Gally but I imagine a pug is probably awful.
The aoe rot damage is waaaaayyyyyy too much, 6 healers in a 20 man group??? Dumb design. This is the “let’s piss off healers” season, both in M+ and raid.
6 healers for 20 people was a thing when we were 650. Now it’s just about the healers you have staggering CDs and not stepping on eachother’s toes.
Which is why it’s not a very viable boss to pug, because no discord.
You don’t need to communicate in the moment, just have a plan beforehand not to tread on any toes. Can do that in party chat easy enough.
It’s 6? Frontals. 3 per side, ask who’s using what on each.
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First of all, heroic isn’t for pugs. People can and do pug it, but it is for organized groups. Anyone pugging should do so “at their own risk”, and be ready to organize as best they can to succeed.
Second, pugs can use discord.
Third, as stated above, coordination doesn’t require voice communication.
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It’s not coordination as much as it is planning. I put it in the same general category as telling people who goes into the gaol jails on Mug’zee, or who’s clicking pilons on Rik.
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While I understand the distinction you’re making, I would argue that it’s too fine a point with regards to heroic pugs. In the groups you raid with, moment to moment coordination is different than the architectural plan. But in less organized groups, preplanning things like pylons or jails is setting up the level of coordination that they need, especially if they’re managing healing cds over the course of a fight.
But I can try to be more precise with my language for situations like this as well.
The reason I make the distinction is because I think heroic raiding should not require coordination, but it should require some degree of planning.
And in general I think blizzard acknowledge and manage that distinction quite well.
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Yes, using the more precise definitions of the words, I agree. I’m just not sure everyone pugging heroic is sensitive to the distinction between them.
I agree, and the issue here is careless choice of words on my part, not an indictment on the design.
They just nerfed Gally damage.
So in your planning of CD suggestion, what if Healer A dies before CD A is needed and Healer C picks up the CD, then Healer A is brezzed just before CD B and both Healer A and B pop cooldowns, the group should just be screwed? There are too many variables to planning cooldowns for a long fight for it to go off without a hitch without coordination, which is why H gally is pugged by padding healers.
Heroics have historically been puggable with planning, it’s mythics where it’s designed for planning and on the fly coordination.
Yeah, sometimes screwing up has consequences. Are you aware that they can try again after the wipe? It doesn’t have to be one shot or disband.
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Cooldown planning to that level will just never work consistently and reliably without comms. In pugs, unfortunately that is the case. People leave after 1-2 wipes, consistently. You say Heroic should be balanced with comms and coordination in mind, but that’s never been the case, that’s what Mythic raid is for. I’m not arguing for the sake of arguing, just offering you the pug perspective.
Your scenario is built on someone dying. If the raid wipes, do it again without that person dying and the non voice preplanning will work fine. If the person can’t do it without dying, change the preplan and/or replace the person.
Also, pugs are allowed to use voice comms.
Then they’re not ready for heroic raiding. Wipes are a part of progression, and without a steady group, each new pug may have some progression wipes.
I didn’t say that. I said heroic is balanced around organization. Organization can use comms and coordination, but it is also reasonably accomplished in raid chat by establishing a few prepull plans to manage the foreseeable issues.
I know the pug perspective. I pugged H Queen regularly on 3 alts, and that boss had a lot more going on than H Gally. Additionally, I led pugs of all difficulties for years before I got lazy and decided to just join them.
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