So I join my friend’s raid group. It’s his guild members and I. Loot drops and I’m getting told to give up the item I greeded on and won because they are on a council system and they want someone else to have the ring. Nobody told me. I’m not a jerk so I trade the dude the ring I won since they picked him. BTW it’s normal lol so obviously I explain I pug a lot and I’m not going to join a raid to get nothing, and leave.
I could have kept the ring imo. I had joined them before, it’s never been a council, always need/greed. No one gave me the loot rules. Obv, I won’t join them in the future.
Not the point though.
My point is… I pug a lot. Using pugs to fill a council system raid group is wrong. You are just using the pug to kill your progression boss and then “ops sry we use a council system and you only came once”. Why the heck would I join a group to get screwed once loot drops.
So wrong.
Let the bashing begin. I’m sure you will tell me why I should have stayed.
Definitely should’ve kept the ring. Guilds already stack the deck against you by having every player who can possibly roll on something (even if they don’t need it), roll need. They do this so they can have a 70+% chance at winning and then re-distribute the item.
Most times I pug with a guild that uses some sort of TMB/LC systen the guild will accommodate you by letting you roll. If they don’t then makes no sense to stay.
Worst I experienced recently was doing a mostly guild ulduar group that said they were on an LC system, but allowed everyone to roll and if a guildie won it they would LC it over. It was late in the week and I really just wanted badges so I dealt with it, but basically meant their entire guild rolled on anything they could use so winning loot was difficult since someone without prio could win it for them to LC out.
You took the high road and that’s fine, but also kind of enabled them to keep doing it.
In Classic it’s not uncommon to HR a few hot ticket items over pugs, but the the audacity of thinking a pug wants to show up to kill bosses and not be considered for any drops is ridiculous.
It sounded fair until I thought about it and saw what happened in the first few drops. I guess I enabled them as well in that regard.
I don’t think it’s fair to have a Loot Council set-up when you are relying on pug players to complete your group. This goes ten fold if they don’t tell you beforehand.
But you know if they did, no one in their right mind would join their group.
I remember one guild group I assisted in ToS. I won a roll but they declined to give it to me and instead de’d it in front of me, with the logic of “If I wanted loot I should have joined the guild”
I’m not salty about it but it’s a horror story I like to tell.
Honestly,that is a wrong practice and they should be grateful to have you step in .You should’ve at least get one piece for the effort. That is a bad move on them ,bad rep is bad rep.
Nope, not going to do bash you nor would I have stayed. But I will say that you should 100% always ask about loot distribution before joining a group as a pug, even if it’s with people you know. Every single time, never assume. My guild group runs a hybrid council (i.e. we make sure everyone gets tier and the good trinkets/rings get spread around to everyone before we allow i-level upgrades to existing gear) and we make it clear to every pug that’s what we’re doing if they want to come. If we make a mistake and forget to tell someone then we wouldn’t demand that they conform to our rules after the fact, just going forward the rest of that night and they can choose to stay or leave.
The only reason would be to open up a previously locked boss kill spot for the weekly cache imo.
Wrong. Not every guild does this. My guild has been on our server since the server opened and has a great sever reputation. So good that we’ll get recommended by random people in trade chat when they see people looking for a good raiding guild, and we’re not the top progression guild on the server. You don’t get that kind of goodwill by being dirtbags to others.
OK, I just have to admire the next-level d-baggery that they put on display. You’re well shut of them. A crew that would do that is a crew that I would not be part of.
If you Pug into a Loot Council system, aren’t told beforehand, and then are asked to give up the item then you owe that group nothing.
Honestly you could have kept the ring but it was nice at least to follow your friend’s guild loot rules for the one boss. Nothing wrong with not wanting to stay if you aren’t told before hand, especially when you are likely to get nothing the entire run vs. any other guild member.
Yeah, they definitely should have given you loot rules before you ever pulled anything. We use an honor system for loot, have for as long as I can remember. There are often cross-realm/cross-faction friends of raiders in our raids and we explain our honor system to them. Very, very rarely do we ever have any sort of drama with it, and when we do, the trash tends to take itself out.
It’s one of the many reasons why I don’t raid in this game anymore. This tier, I’ve basically done 1/8N and have managed to gear up to ilvl 415, which is on par with a lot of mythic raiders currently progressing towards CE.
Will I ever do as much damage or be as tanky as these players? No - ultimately, the best trinkets tend to be in the raid. But, I’m happy with my progress so far because I save approximately 8-10 hours every week and I never have to worry about wasting my time in situations like the one you described.