Guild Dethrone - Option

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So, eons ago, I played WoW, all the way to (and through) Lich King, before finances got tight, and I departed. I didn’t assign guild owner (Horde guild) to anyone, because it was literally down to about five people (most of whom, had also stopped, or gone to Alliance).

Fast forward, something like 13 years, I come back because some co-workers are playing and talked me into it. To my surprise, I was able to recover my characters, and saw I was still in my old guild - but guild leadership had moved on. Searching, I found the Guild Dethrone thing. I checked, and the current leader has not been on in 4 months, the next player 7 months, and then the few others, go into years. Sadly, I had been knocked down to “Rank 4” (I have a ticket open with WoW, but I doubt they will be able to do much, much to my dismay).

I think something that would be nice is that the “Dethrone” should be available to the next highest active player; which would eventually trinkle down to me since no one else in the guild actively plays, and I thought it’d be fun to rebuild the guild (with my new co-workers). But that may not be possible, which would be a shame because the guild name harkens back to my days of EverQuest, so it’s a wee bit close to the heart.

I think it should be: No Leader Logged on in 30 Days, Officer can Dethrone. Now if there’s no Leader and No Officers that have logged on for 30 days, it trickles down to the next tier of players.

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You’re right.
There’s nothing a GM can do.

…this totally defeats the point of the system which is in place to protect guilds.

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But it’s handy for players who leave for a few months to come back and find they still have the guild they invested so much time into.
Guild banks for example? Guild perks?
You’d just kick out a guikdmaster because they’ve been offline for 4 months?
Come on…

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I understand protecting the guild and what not. But when the guild is down to a size of 5 people, and I am the only active person marked down to “Retired” and don’t even have Officer powers to invite people (and I was once the owner, or at the very least an Officer), it’s a bit of a bummer. It’s not like there’s any active other members. I could understand it if there were active members, and at least ONE active officer; but the guild currently has NO active officers. That’s what I mean when I think it should trickle down to see if the next active person (if there’s no leader and officer that’s been on for 3 months), that could “Dethrone” leadership.

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It used to be that there was no rank restriction on who could dethrone the guild leader. But people threw a big fit and it got changed.

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The guild dethrone policy and procedure is in place for this very reason. It allows for leadership to be assumed by an officer in the event the guild leader is absent for an extended period, while also giving the guild leader the tools to retain control during an extended absence.

You can cancel your ticket. The GM that responds isn’t going to be able to help you overthrow the current guild leader. Your only option at this point is to leave the guild and start another with your friends.

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I think the Dethrone function is fine. If you, a guild leader, ditch a whole bunch of people for months or years without demoting or kicking them, you deserve to lose your guild.

However, what I don’t agree with is Blizzard not sending the person getting dethroned an email. Something like… “you have 5 days to log on or you will lose your guild” would suffice.

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lol I keep even my highest officers at rank 4 now to ensure that I can’t be dethroned ever.

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For a social guild or bank alt guild or what not, it makes sense. But I’ve been in a raiding guild before where the guild leader literally decided to take off for the summer on us and the officers couldn’t give anybody the boot or anything. Literally forcing us having to reform.

There needs to be something better than what we have.

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My officers have the right to kick people, the GM can edit that if he/she wants to. If you don’t like the restrictions your GM has placed, make a new guild.

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It seems that you want the dethrone option revised so you can more quickly regain your guild. It won’t happen, and I would say the best thing anyone in this situation can do is just start another one. Many threads about dethroning have risen recently (and are hopefully a sign people are trying wow a gain), and the best thing you can do is make another guild, as the thing that makes a guild are the people in it :heart:

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What would you define “active” exactly ?? i could just stay afk all day and dethrone the lead or i just do more content than the lead and dethrone him again…

This would only mean that the leader has to be more active than everybody in the guild all the time. Sounds like a huge burden for regulars guild leaders

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This is basically the key issue with guilds. We got one group of people who view it as themselves owning the guild and another group that see it as the members of the guild who make up the guild.

There needs to be a balance between the two as currently, a guild leader can just keep everyone below a certain rank and can disappear as they please without losing the guild name, guild bank, etc. Which can be quite lame if the members have put in such an effort to make a guild into what it is.

So really, it needs to be a system more along the lines of if an X number of people are active while the guild leader isn’t active in Y months, then can dethrone the guild leader. Which was the entire purpose behind the function being implemented, an active guild losing their leader for one reason or another.

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Well democracy is not the most perfect system

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I have mixed feelings about it.

if the guild leader doesn’t set permissions properly the guild will just die but a good guild lead will have things set up so recruitment can still take place or pruning. it can still lead to stagnation though if all the top officers quit and no one can recruit or promote higher.

its definitely better for bank alts if you share banks with people you can keep them all at rank 4 and never lose the guild.

In your situation it is probably just better to move on and start fresh.
Not sure the recruitment situation on whatever server you are on but when a guild dies like that you are basically starting from scratch anyway and everyone who remembers the good times have logged off anyway.

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Good news: There’s some hope in this case! With dethroning, there’s a special circumstance that’s not well known about.

As long as the former guild leader is 1) still in the guild and 2) the guild member that dethroned him/her is now inactive, Bliz usually is able to help.

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where are you getting this info from?

Continuing the discussion from Spotlight On - Guild Management and Security:

…because if what you’re claiming is the case, they really should make it more transparent.

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Assuming it’s still true (from last march):

It was a surprise to those in that thread when Vrak mentioned it.

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A GM or a GM?

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I don’t like that idea because people would just have to kick everyone from the guild in order to protect their ownership if they decided to take a break. Now they can just not put anyone in those ranks.

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