As title says.
Even Incarnation is terrible now without the cooldown-free thrash and mangle.
I knew this was coming, haven’t tested much but some random trash mobs, but feels really bad.
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huh?
Thrash…mangle.
Thrash…mangle.
Just like a warriors unstoppable force.
t-clap… revenge,
t-clap, revenge.
Working as intended.
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Nah it’s not intended design to play like this for a long time in any sort of end game environment, we are just missing Rank 2 of Berserk/Incarn that we’ll get leveling in SL.
@Vincent yeah man it feels like butt for sure.
@ Tical
When we asked for more intuitive rotations this is not what we meant LOL!
I’m gonna do that tho.
We don’t have any of our legendaries, our rank 2 spells are missing, and honestly I hated the thrash-thrash-thrash of the old incarn. You really missed out on earthwarden procs on low mob counts. This one’s actually pretty useful in terms of all-around defense since it gives health instead of armor and reduces the cd on IF.
The new bear feels like the old bear to me, which is good because I like the old bear.
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Yeah, My other tank is a warrior. So the similarities are becoming ever more apparent.
I’d like to see gore procs moved to maul instead of mangle and for maul to hit 3 targets or so. This would give life to maul which goes unused most of the time and contribute to the dps boost we sorely need. Not to mention would allow the maul talents/soul binds to have actual synergy with our spec rather then go unused. Heck, you could even make maul reset the CD on mangle to help out with single target even more.
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Every druid specc is terrible, seems to just get worse and worse. Bring nothing really to a party/raid that is super useful or can’t be done better by other classes.
I’m sadly rerolling after 16~ years of maining a druid, I’m tired of being sad while playing the game cause my class doesn’t feel fun or useful.
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Druids have been in a sorry state for at least 2 xpacs already. Except for resto.
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Granted I had taken a small break…but guardian feels the same as it did before. To me at least
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Then you weren’t utilizing its toolkit (such as it was) to the fullest potential, because there are things bears could do in BfA that they can’t do anymore.
Such as what if you don’t mind me asking? Seems the only thing we really lost was the Typhoon + Vortex combo. But we still get one or the other as the “obvious” choice (vortex by default)
Aside from that we gained Cyclone, got HotW which can come in super handy in a pinch if played right.
Got Berserk like a lot of people asked for. And Incarn got a nice buff.
I guess I really must not have been utilizing it well because aside from the typhoon+vortex combo, it’s all still there.
Even the rotation is basically still the same with Maul maybe making an appearance during Berserk/Incarn
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Having a blast using Cyclone while tanking, are we?
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It’s more for the other specs than Guardian if I had to guess. Was just pointing out things we gained vs what we lost.
But seriously though, aside from
The typhoon + vortex combo, what have we lost that makes Guardian play so differently than it did before?
Not being a smart a$$. Would honestly like some examples. Could help my performance
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Then why did you mention it? We’re talking about bears.
Because bears got it too. Like a lot of abilities, they’re used situationally.
So examples of what we lost and how it makes bear play differently than it did before then? Please
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How are we supposed to use things that don’t work in bear form?
The only chance for Cyclone would be in a raid setting. What the hell are you going to cyclone while off-tanking during a raid boss?
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He was just commenting on what he sees was gained and lost. Did not matter if it was used or not. That’s besides the point. You aren’t answering the main question of what changed.
I just started leveling as guardian druid and this the the first time playing him since Cata so I have no idea how he was before vs now. So I’m curious about the answer too. Not sure if I’ll stick with druid in SL though.
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-druid-class-changes/490706/13
My post on Shadowlands bear nerfs. Very little has changed since then.
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You’re skirting the main question I keep asking. It’s making me think that you pin don’t have any relevant examples outside of the one I named.
Cyclone could be used to split a mob apart from a pack, could be used to buy you the time you need to get off one of your Resto Affinty heals, can be used to kite a mob.
The likeliness of having to use it these ways are slim, but could be the difference between wiping or surviving