Alright we’ll you two can jerk each other off all the way to that 3k rating in the sky while the rest of us peasants down on earth are getting insta gibbed by shadow priests and arcane mages in shadowlands season 1 when they unload their “IWIN” macros in .05 seconds.
Thank you for not being developers and balancing for the rest of us.
Or you could just be better at the game and react to incoming damage a little better, but I’m sure you play the game perfectly!
I’ll save my trinket and line the macro 4head amirite?!
Dude you know ele shams prolly the best caster in the game rn on beta right?
Ele has unstoppable burst rn on beta. I can hit for 30k+ in 1 global with crits cuz its that overtuned.
I dueled wizk and got my a$$ handed to me quite a few times. You wanna know why. Cuz i honestly didnt know the mu well enough and hes a great amazing player.
I shouldnt be able to play into players better than me and just win with the drop of a hat.
Once you learn and practice tho and pick up slands pacing / meta the game feels really good and rewarding.
You know both Arcane and spriest burst is casted rn on slands right?
its telegraphed pretty hard.
Explain to me the arcane / spriest burst macros ?
I think ele is great on beta right now absolutely, but I don’t think grounding should be changed at all. That couple second buffer to purge arcane power/power infusion once I drop my grounding if I want to is something I don’t think we should give up with the damage being the way it is right now. I don’t need 3k rated experience to think that’s reasonable
Most of the classes dmg is casted and reactable…
Name what an arcane burst line up looks like and ill explain how to stop it rn on beta with literally 1 hour of exp playing vs it?
Name what spriests do?
We can break down why grounding isnt healthy counterplay when you have a multitude of other options available. I dont want to ruin ele. I want it to be more rewarding FOR BOTH SIDES playing.
I want there to be a reward for buttons pressed but also counterplay thats healthy. Blanket grounding is unhealthy gameplay.
“If I stand there in line of the mage that casts Touch of the Magi -> Radiant Spark -> PoM -> Arcane Power -> Running rune of power and do not move or press shear or grounding without it being 3 seconds I have absolutely no chance of living ever. Silly 2700 shamans thinking thats outplayable”
Anboni has a great video up right now that illustrates how spriest can 100-0 someone.
Yes im aware that burst is high.
Theres counterplay tho.
Do I need to make a ele 1 shot video on youtube for people to just state with 0 actual talk about both sides interactions in a fight?
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/730185515?t=00h15m02s
Heres me 1 shotting a god class and not only the god class anboni made a video on but Wizk whos one the best spriests in the game <3
You think i was able to get this off every game?
No
Why?
Cuz wizk is a good af player and theres give and takes to both sides even in a 1v1 duel 
People are gonna have to swallow this rather large pill. The pill that what you do in the game matters again. You can be punished for mistakes . You die if you dont know what your doing.
Kinda rough for some but i welcome this back even if it means ill get farmed by the many better players on the ladder <3
I one button macro with disc priest as well, i just have to cast schism, dark ach, shadow covenant, mind games, mind blast, death and pray that the person does nothing for the 9 seconds that schism is up
People are gonna have to swallow this rather large pill. The pill that what you do in the game matters again. You can be punished for mistakes . You die if you dont know what your doing.
Kinda rough for some but i welcome this back even if it means ill get farmed by the many better players on the ladder <3
You guys don’t really seem like you want to talk though, you both want to throw your rating up in people’s faces and say “shut up I know more than you”. Pretty sad actually because Stikki you were one of the reasons I started to try ele in pvp this late in the season and expansion when everything is broken.
Just because I or anyone else doesn’t have the time to play at your ratings doesn’t discount our observations and concerns.
Lets unpack this a little.
Your first post in this thread was:
Highly sarcastic for no reason, you came in to the thread not looking for a discussion, you came in trying to be rude. Don’t try to play victim like I just came at you out of the blue. Make a less sarcastic post next time and you might get a genuine response out of me.
Let’s unpack your OP as well, you never defined that you were talking about shadowlands but that you want to attack a spell that is so insignificant in the grand scale of the trash pile that is BFA 8.3.
Sure let’s unpack it, old school grounding should have never left and would only serve to make good shamans be more separated from bad shamans. Something that this game has been missing for a very long time. It is very similar to MoP vs current tremor totem.
I’ve never said corruption was good for the game, but that is already being addressed since its being removed. Why would I mention that if I know it is going away? What sense does that make?
Im just stating that you dont have the exp to state that ele needs x.
Im telling you its unhealthy.
Im trying to explain to you why you are wrong with actual evidence and explanations.
You link youtube videos that are mostly click bait.
I havent brought up rating at all.
I havet trash talked at all.
Im simply stating. You dont understand or know what your talking about.
Grounding is bad rn
Its not a healthy interaction for both the shaman playing or the people fighting it.
Old grounding was much better gameplay.
Honestly if your a great ele shaman the change ive introduced is a buff to eles and enh.
It would return a tool baseline. Double the amount of times you can press it but opens up a bigger reward to pressing it at the correct time while still opening counterplay to those pressing it at incorrect times.
You would also free up a pvp talent which with the removal of conflict and strife is greatly needed.
I think ele should get skyfury / reworked grounding back. This would open up 2 pvp talents and give us more tools to use properly and be rewarded for.
Side note, you can go see Saucerboy post in this thread somewhere, and Trash who are both 2700+ Enhance shamans that gave their thoughts as well, Saucer doesn’t agree and I think Trash does.
It is not a cut and dry issue, but you watching 1 Venruki youtube video and claiming you’re going to die in 0.5 seconds if you don’t have 3 second aoe cloak for you team is where your entire argument becomes worthless.
You might not die, hell I may not either but the vast majority of people probably can’t react like that. I won’t agree with either of you honestly so this debate isnt going to go anywhere and I can’t keep up with both of you on my iphone lol. So ggs I guess we’ll just see when we’re in the season.
Here’s a 3k shaman that has the understanding we want. Ty.
can’t or don’t?
i don’t like assuming everyone is just terrible at the game with no potential for improvement
give people credit and for the sake of argument let’s assume people can learn