Just people copying the meta strategy, or what they’ve seen streamers/high-end players do online.
I always carry invis pots with me, and being a nelf hunter means I can camouflage, feign and shadowmeld, basically giving me unlimited skip potential every few minutes.
I do agree that most skips are basically useless in 15s and below, especially in pug groups.
I mostly skip with no problem, pug even.
Some skips are perfectly fine and reasonable. Even in normal leveling dungeons, you see people do skips. In fact, I bet it is more common and expected to skip things than not. You can be inept if you want, but don’t foster than on the playerbase as a whole.
tank wants to do a skip route you better be listening to him, kinda ur fault if u don’t
Certain mobs start hurting really bad in higher keys (like in Junkyard on Fort, the lightning aoe guys will murder everyone) so it’s preferable to skip them. Some skips are designed to line up cool downs with bigger pulls, some are just to save time (like the poison bridge before chess in Upper - it’s a cringe pull and a time sink).
Mostly in lower key pugs skips are done because that’s the standard route they see people are doing. Usually the people complaining in lower keys about skips don’t even know why they’re skipping it. They just think they have to for some reason, it’s a weird mind set.
In most of these situations. I am playing tank. When I play tank I usually don’t worry about skips because they don’t matter for 90% of keys.
I have a Hunter alt though. And any time a skip goes wrong, tanks throw hissy fits about needing to do their job.
Except you cannot get hit by the fire floor or else it will remove your invis pot. I don’t even bother trying to skip this guy anymore because someone new seems to be learning this every time, or gets accidentally hit by it.
ok then don’t do skips? i don’t know, i just follow the tank because generally that’s all i can do
I 100% agree OP, ots so annoying skipping mobs is such a pain like you need to walk past them or like use a invis potion! Thats crazy , people need to stop with these bs 1% er sweatlord things
I can go do a Junkyard and go full clear the entire place and time the key. It doesn’t mean I will and certainly doesn’t make it the right decision.
All of the standard skips are very easy to execute. Drink a pot and run. CC a mob. Skirt around pats.
My issue isn’t with skips. It’s with players who get super angry, insist that their group does them, and decides to threaten to leave the key or lecture the party about how “optimal” the skip is.
Bunch of toxic elitist!! Am i right just let them leave the key who needs them
Yeah. No…
I’d really like if people worked together to complete a key, get your loot and leave.
No need to start calling names.
Threatening to leave a key because things don’t go your way is rude though. So is staying in the key and refusing to participate.
Devils advocate. How would like if you were at work. Working a project. You have done the project a million times and there is a method to sort the projects data that take 5 minutes. Your coworker insists they use a basic method that takes 2 hours instead. Despite your workplace having the tools and info to use the 5 minute method.
You would be understandably frustrated if your teammate insisted on doing an ineffecient, time wasting method of data sorting. Because they just didnt want to do the faster and easier method.
They just need to delete mythic plus altogether, its nothing but a toxic vile sweatlord den of basement dwellers
Fighting mid key is dumb. Skips should be planned and coordinated in advance. I tell my pugs before the key starts if I specifically plan to use the invis pot so they can plan accordingly. For skips involving CC/skirting around mobs, that’s just expected and standard. Like the pack just around the corner in the early parts of mists. There is no reason a rogue or DH can’t just rush ahead and CC that as we’re coming up and then everyone hug that wall. It’s safe and consistent. It ONLY fails if some derp doesn’t hug the wall which is incompetence on their part. There’s no need to talk or strategize around it. If at worst case and you never seen it, well monkey see monkey do. Follow what you seen the others do.
On me, I personally hate skips becoz if we wipe, we would face the same trash mobs blocking our way. And skipping means… Stealth, invis pots which is okay to me when my potion cd is ready. But skipping by dying upon passing the trash to be rez’d back by one player (by druid, shadowmelding rez’er, or shaman reincarnation), I hate them. When we wipe on the boss ahead, we would skip-kill ourselves again? So stupid. That make us fail the timer. Should have cleared the trash, it’s way more faster and it saves time.
I understand the need for skip at higher keys like +17 and up. But for M+15’s, come on. If you cant dps/kill the trash mobs and still beat the timer, you are not qualified for such key.
I cant dictate anyway on the route. It’s not my key. I never use my key on M+ anyway.
Then you’re an excellent player for doing that! And you should be proud of your communicative skills.
I don’t mind skips. I mind when players freak out over skips going wrong.
Or players who decide to stop mid dungeon to complain about not following a route.
This is an Exacerbation of Numbers and not realistic.
Deliberately avoiding a skip, or attempting a skip and failing adds 40-60 seconds. Not two hours.
And while it’s reasonable to be “frustrated” it is unreasonable to lecture your team, or leave the key.
Nope. I love Mythic Plus. I just want to vent about a few bad eggs.
They are all bad eggs, nothing but a bunch of toxic gatekeepers!
From my experience, skips fail a lot. You end up wasting time because of it. Skipping the trash on the bridge before chess has a super high chance to fail.