I understand that promoting the game is one of the main parts of marketing but can we please stop adding extremely hard to get mounts to the list of free things? The new twitch drop to be added will be the feldrake which is probably one of my favorite mounts that almost cost me years of searching TCG cards to finally obtain and now its being given away for free. I honestly dont understand what the point of ever earning something hard to get will be if everything will eventually be handed to people for free.
Im sure some people will be happy to finally get this mount and I understand that is okay but I just want more thought out rewards. If they added the Brutosaur which is basically impossible to obtain that would have been much better since blizzard decided to remove it to create scarcity and drive wow tokens up.
I feel like the harder blizzard leans into use old things and make them free later the worse this game will be getting. I think its a slippery slope to an insane cash shop with things like invincibles reins for 250$ which I dont really want to be a part of.
As someone who owns items from the TCG, I say GREAT! This is a wonderful thing and they should do plenty more of it. Bring every item removed back, thereâs no need to gatekeep and have things a decade old be locked away forever. You got to enjoy the exclusivity for a long while, thereâs no need to keep it.
The worst things this game does is have exclusive items, we need far less of them and not more.
I own plenty of TCG items either from the card it self, or through gold I acquired within the game to buy it out right.
Iâve had these items for years and enjoyed it. Other people getting it throught this way, doesnât bother me one bit and I welcome more removed exclusive items returned in some way in the future.
This only benefits the vast majority of the player base which is the way to go.
But after 5-10 years, they need to start reintroducing things. Otherwise you become a game full of things new players can never obtain, and thatâs offputting and chases them away. (I know this from personal experience in multiple MMOs, where I saw something I really wanted on someone else, only to find I could never realistically get it [which for a lot of people things like the Fel Drake would count, as not everyone has $3800 or gold cap lying around] and it bummed me out enough I immediately uninstalled the game.)
All this said, I much would have preferred they started with the old RAF rewards before going into TCG stuff.
We have no way to get the old RAF rewards now (and were only given a month of them going away, so not enough time to even get a single reward), and albeit extremely expensive, we do have ways to get the TCG stuff.
Letâs not forget thereâs pets and mounts that were removed from the Blizzard Store years ago as well they could have reintroduced, like the Gryphon/Wind Rider Cub, or the Grinning Reaver.
I have no problem with the Fel Drake being re-added though. The TCG cards never stated they were exclusive or limited time. This is no different than if they added it to the BMAH or started re-printing the cards.
I just wish they had started with the items that had no other source available anymore.
Though, to also note, this type of mindset is sort of classist. Not everyone had access to the TCG - it did not release in every region. So you are essentially saying you believe the only way these people should ever be able to get these mounts is by either paying an absurd amount of real money or gold cap.
As someone who owns a bunch of TCG mounts (including a Feldrake): No, these should be reintroduced them into the game. As it is, theyâre a relic of an ancient system that should have never made it into the game.
As it is right now, the main difficulty of obtaining a TCG mount is either farming for gold cap (or depending on the mount, multiple caps), or making enough money in real life to be able to purchase a code. For almost a decade now, they havenât been able to print new cards due to them no longer owning the rights to the card game.
There havenât been any new TCG codes generated for 3 years as of right now. For almost a decade, the only way to obtain new TCG codes would be to be lucky enough with the Timewalker boxes from BlizzCon, which require:
You to attend a physical event that happens once a year (and we donât know if its ever coming back after Covid);
You to miss a portion of the convention in the line, essentially missing things like the opening ceremony;
You to be lucky enough to even be able to purchase a box, as these usually sell out in a matter of hours after the start of the convention;
50 dollars PER ATTEMPT.
The Feldrake code was going for 3.500 USD before this happened, and thatâs not even the most expensive mount out of the bunch. TCG mount codes regularly go for over 500 USD, and the prices are only expected to go up as there is no supply to meet the demand. Do you really believe an ingame mount should cost that much?
There has never been a way to obtain these in-game, these are not even close to comparable to stuff like your Corrupted Ashbringer example.
(And donât even get me started on the fact that most of the redeemed TCG mounts you see being sold on the AH are dupes from an exploit back in WoD that, for some unknown reason, have never been removed.)
I really hope they do this on a regular basis. It is time these mounts are obtainable by more than a bunch of whales, even if I am a whale myself.
I invested weeks of Naxxramas IDs before Wrath pre-patch to get full T3, thinking it would never be obtainable again (same goes for the Ashbringer that never dropped). Now you just get it from the BMAH.
To clarify: I donât see this as some diminished exclusivity. Using the T3 I am remembered of how I got it. And there is a huge difference between farming Naxx with friends and grinding gold to drop it on an NPC.
Im not super pumped about reused assets for a ârewardâ is a better way of putting it I guess. I could careless if this was something new and exciting but it just seems like they are cashing in on old rewards and skipping the work just like the 500 mount reward
Yeah, itâll be free. And I can understand why it can bother some people, mainly those that already have the mount. I collect mounts myself and Iâd be upset in some ways if some of those rare mounts were made this easily accessible. But then again, itâs not gonna take away the efforts Iâve put in the past because Iâve been able to ride whatever mount for longer than anyone else.
On a smaller scale, this applies to a LOT of collectibles thatâs in the game. Why would you bother raiding CE to get those cool mount like Vengeance from Sylvanas when you can wait for this raid to be soloable and one shot everything to get it? Why would you do the current questlines to get rep and cosmetics when you could wait next expansion and easily one-shot every mob and never die?
Youâve had your time to flex on people riding your Feldrake for, maybe years, now itâs time for others to get it.
Should Blizzard had made a brand new dragon mount for the promotion instead? They couldâve.
Should the Feldrake had been made this inaccessible in the first place? Probably not.
But itâs not extremely hard to get. You can either buy the TCG card on places like eBay, buy tokens for gold, or make the gold through farming/AH.
Itâs a game, and this comes off as a very selfish outlook.
Iâm sure most people who donât have this mount will be happy they can have a discontinued item that wasnât even available to reimburse in all regions!!!
Doesnât this go against your argument in the first paragraph where you were mad that you had to grind for the gold? How is this different?
Not at all. Free Twitch drops to allow people to get things that were removed due to the discontinuation of a trading card =/= cash shop.
I have most of the TCG items; there is 1 mount I am missing. Some of the TCG stuff I got back in Cataclysm or before because I used to buy BOXES of cards at Target for the actual game (and the cool artwork). Some of it I spent my hard-earned gold on. If they said every single mount minus the one Iâm missing would become a Twitch drop, you know what my response would be? Iâd say HECK YES glad my friends who started in Legion or BFA now have a chance at these AWESOME mounts from a discontinued trading card game, how cool!! And internally, I would hope that the last remaining TCG mount I needed would eventually be on the Twitch drops some day!
I agree with WorldPvP. Itâs a slap in the face to release previously difficult to acquire items later with ease. Players who devoted a lot of time to acquire rare items should not have to feel disrespected when all of their efforts ended up for naught because Blizzard decided to reuse old rewards. Players who know the rarity of items understand the struggle a player endured to acquire such item. Once that item is released into the game as a result of an easy task, it negates all the efforts of those select players to attain the item. I know more casual players will be happy to be able to easily acquire the items other players spent hours/days/months/years to achieve, but I strongly believe itâs a disservice to those to spent a good amount of time to obtain said item. Itâs simply disrespectful the the playerâs time.
I am happy that the mount will come via Twitch drop and I hope there is more in the future. There is so much scam and speculation around all these TCG Items. People forget that they donât own them really⌠Itâs Blizzards game, they can do whatever they want with the items they created. A lot of people never had any chance to get them, when they were much cheaper then they are now. The prices for this are increasing more and more.
They doesnât even sell them in the shop (yet), they give them to us as a promotion and a present to celebrate the game and furthermore support Twitch Streamers.
Itâs a game and people that spent enormous amounts fo real life money to get things in there, should not forget about that fact⌠Games can even shut down and all your money is gone, thats the way it is, when you invest in ingame stuff in any game.
No prestige in opening a hole in your wallet for a TCG mount.
This is something people here are failing to understand: You canât compare TCG mounts with actual prestigious things that have been removed from the game like Corrupted Ashbringers or Gladiator mounts: There has NEVER been a way to obtain these directly in-game (well, now there are ways to obtain a few like the Riding Turtle from Garrison fishing and the White Rhino/X-45 XTREME from the BMAH).
Every single TCG mount in existence thatâs not one of the aforementioned 3 mounts was initially redeemed by someone who got a physical code, be it from the dead card game or BlizzCon boxes. Essentially every mount that ever existed, exists only because someone spent some amount of real-life money on it. Someone essentially had to swipe their credit card for that mount to come into existence.
Maybe YOU had to spend weeks or months grinding gold to get the mount, but someone had to initially swipe their credit card in some way for that mount to first become available.
That, combined with my aforementioned point about artificial scarcity, is why they are so expensive and âââprestigiousâ"", but thereâs no prestige in any of that. People complain so much about shop mounts being essentially cash grabs, TCG items were the first version of cash grabs and somehow people are fine with that.
No. The Feldrake being obtainable in a way that doesnât require spending money is a GOOD thing. Maybe they could have done better than Twitch drops? Maybe, that is something we could actually have an argument on. But as it is right now, literally anything is better than the current system.
In agreement that the reintroduction of collectibles that are difficult to obtain beyond drop rates- such as TCG collectibles- is a good thing. To be honest, though, I probably wonât get it because I canât wrap my head around how Twitch drops work.
Thereâs something deeply troubling to me about spending exorbitant time and money on a finite resource for digital goods- thatâs how you get crypto currencies.
I donât think I would consider a TCG mount difficult to acquire. Was pretty easy to go buy card packs back in the day. Was also not expensive to buy the card at shops or eBay back then either (IIRC the most expensive one was the rhino for around 170 USD).
Only thing that made it difficult was the TCG being discontinued thus creating a finite resource sans the DMF BlizzCon event stuff where you had a chance to get the card if you felt like being in lines all day. Grinding gold is also not not âdifficultâ per se. Feels more like people trying to gatekeep than anything.
Also mentioned earlier, but I donât recall people having a tantrum over the TCG turtle mount being fishable w/ Nat Pagle garrison bucks in WoD, or the Rhino and one of the rockets being thrown on the BMAH. Granted you spend gold for the latter, but you can literally pay to play w/ WoW tokens.
All those required something it wasnt just free. I also see everyone saying âspending gold/money isnt a challengeâ ive won all my TCG thru card tournaments and one from a dueling tournament. Zero of those required me to pretend to watch twitch for 4 hours to get something for free. If they had made this âplay Dragonflight for 4 hoursâ I would be happier than it being free and a reused asset.
Best example I can think of is Overwatch they are reusing all the assets from OW1 for OW2s free battlepass. This is blizzards future cashing in on previously unearned things and saying its content.
I know they are two seperate games but basically going the same direction by the same developer.
I actually do like that concept better- incentivizing actually playing the game instead of pushing for fake engagement through Twitch drops. Kinda one of the reasons why the Hearthsteed is one of my favorite mounts.
Ok, so please next time make your topic more clear on that, because you do sound like you didnât want TCG mounts back in any way, shape or form.
I completely agree that Twitch drops arenât the best way to do this, would much rather have to complete activities ingame than have a stream at 5% volume sucking PC resources for 4 hours.