As a healer, I hate these weeks. Both are mechanics non-healers can ignore without feeling the impact of their decision. If the group fails, they all blame you and you get whispers telling you insults. It’s just not fun, and by design DPS/tanks can assume that it’s just a healer mechanic. Any healer that can’t carry the mechanic on their own is just considered bad.
I don’t appreciate being insulted multiple runs, and I don’t have fun spamming direct heals nonstop. The pressure as a healer is already high enough already.
Please change grievous. Bursting isn’t as bad, but still creates those toxic “healer sucks” environments.
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As a healer I enjoy these weeks cause I get to push my hps to its limits while other weeks im like pew, pew cause the dmg is non existant. Its not for everyone but lets be clear and say you don’t find it fun not its not fun
What keys have you done this week? Looking at your IO, it seems you’ve gone up to 13 last week, and haven’t done any this week. Did you push any keys when grievous was with bursting a couple weeks back?
Let’s be clear, anything can be fun in low to mid keys, but once the difficulty is raised to where you have to coordinate with your team, having mechanics which allow the party to put all the weight on one player leads to toxic environments.
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Interesting fact, bursting stops scaling at 15, which is before this is true.
I also am incredulous that you’re getting flamed in a key where team coordination is crucial.
Maybe with bad players. As a tank I top off players with WoG or even hard cast flash of light at the end of a pull. Especially for bursting.
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The impact of this decision is death and key failure. They feel it, they just think it is your fault lol. I’m sorry you feel this way, but this is the result of playing with uninformed players at a low level. This is not the case at competitive levels even by a small margin. Every affix is a group affix, or you cannot succeed.
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Bursting is a dps affix primarily. Unless you’re failing at a low number of stacks, anyone who tells you that it’s your job to clean up because they couldn’t stop pushing buttons for 2 seconds to drop stacks is bad, and you should feel free to let them know that.
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I’d rather heal a grievous / bursting week than an explosive week. If your team doesn’t help you with any affix though, that’s their failures not yours. Brush it off and move on to the next one.
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I hadn’t played in a number of years so when I came back I was into the idea of M+. Was having some fun with it to start. But man does it really become the definition of toxic. As soon as something goes wrong the blame game starts. It’s important to get your first accusation out as fast as possible so people can latch onto that and shield themselves.
I feel for healers with the kind of damage going out. It makes them such easy scapegoats for people who see their HP bars dropping and don’t touch interrupts or personals.
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This is really only a problem in lower keys. At a certain point, everyone is competent enough to know what’s going on and everyone knows where the mistake is, including the person who made it.
It’s extremely frustrating for me that so many people are more concerned with appearing to be right than actually being right. The whole idea of accusing someone else to deflect attention is an awful way of dealing with any problem. I would rather confront the mistake if it’s mine, own it and fix it then try to make myself feel better by convincing people that someone else did it.
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I think grievous is more annoying on my hunter actually. If the healer dies or something then I don’t have much time before I’m dead too. As healer it’s mostly a non issue.
Not sure what caused this but today in TJS, I died on trash before 3rd boss and released. And somehow had grievous while running back and died again. Pretty annoying.
Bursting is a non issue if the group doesn’t refresh roll the debuff. If everything dies at about the same time a cd can usually deal with higher stacks. When dps make you heal a near full duration 5>6>7>8 and then wipe…yeah that’s a them issue. Grievous still feels terrible but the change in SL to remove a stack with a direct heal was a move in the right direction.
Nothing was worse though than the season where we had grievous and overflowing at the same time. Punished for letting people fall below 90% and punished for using hots and overhealing.
Yeah dps have a hard time with “kill everything at once” or “let the debuff wear off.” Refreshing the debuff near end is horrible but dps don’t care. They just go pew-pew and bonk-bonk.
i really like grievous and always have…bursting can be scary if you have a very aggressive team, but i really like playing on both weeks…it’s what they’re coupled with that makes or breaks it for me 
I don’t think the affixes are supposed to be fun… because none of them are. They’re all extra thingers added on to make the dungeon more difficult. Up until now, the seasonal affix was typically a fun thing added on to offset that and change the way the dungeon played. This season changed that by adding a decidedly un-fun affix in Thundering.
As far as affixes go, as a healer, grievous isn’t that bad. It doesn’t hit near as hard as it used to and almost every heal removes a stack now. It’s almost a non-affix unless you’re on really, really high keys and undergeared for it.
Bursting is… a mixed bag. I don’t mind it if the group plays for it, but it makes your pulls smaller. Which is good in that it shakes up your route, but bad because it does it in an annoying and one-dimensional way. Also, every single expansion, we have to play the “should this mob burst?” game? Blizzard always adds big packs of weak adds that burst and delete your group, then fixes it later so they don’t.
if people didn’t like mechanics, they’d just ask for target dummies. Affixes in dungeons are better than dungeons with no affixes.
This has been my experience in higher keys (16+). I let them know when I can, but this is usually ignored. It’s no consolation knowing that they should be dealing with the affix when I can see them not dealing with it, and then getting the occasional toxic messages.
I just hope the devs are aware how these affixes are experienced as pugs - at low keys its not a big deal, but pugging higher keys, before the players becomes pros, it’s just easy for DPS to ignores affixes and blame someone (the healer or the tank) for not picking up the slack.
You make it seem like this means DPS is dumb.
It’s actually really hard to guess what other people are going to do in a completely unorganised pug. Is the target you are on going to die at the right time if you swap or if you stay on? Well that completely depends on what the other people in your group do.
Almost every DPS class in the game has dots that are going to keep ticking and kill a mob even if you completely take your hands off your keyboard.
It’s basically pure luck whether or not bursting is handled correctly unless you are communicating to each other about it.
The dungeons already have mechanics. M+ would be fine without any affixes other thaan the seasonal affix.
What does spiteful add to a dungeon except to be really annoying at the end of every pull? Volcanic/Storming/Grievous might as well not exist from an interaction point of view while some other affixes are highly annoying.
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