As we approach a new season, I wanted to send a reminder that the Vault is a thorn in the side of an otherwise great PvP gearing system introduced with Dragonflight.
It doesn’t make sense to include an element of RNG in a deterministic gearing system, especially when that element can drastically increase a player’s power over another (looking at tier gear). We shouldn’t have to suffer gear imbalances early in the season just because it “won’t matter” eventually. Getting a BiS piece from the Vault isn’t exciting - it just feels like not falling behind. If I don’t get good pieces, I feel incentivized to play less until I’m on equal footing with other players.
Even with tier being nerfed by 50% in PvP in 10.1, it’s still additional throughput at no cost, with the only drawback being less optimized secondary stats. In many cases, it will probably still be worth using tier, meaning those who don’t get lucky with vaults will fall behind. Additionally, the 50% nerf doesn’t do anything to sets where a 50% aura nerf isn’t applicable to the bonus.
The Great Vault including PvP gear is also a detriment to players who want to do both PvP and PvE content on the same character, as choosing gear for one slows gearing for the other.
The best solution is to remove the PvP line from the Great Vault altogether. Keep the RNG gearing strictly in PvE content. To compensate, raise the weekly Conquest cap by an appropriate amount. This removes any possible gear imbalances early in the season, and allows players to comfortably PvE and PvP without falling behind in one or the other.
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+1, I hate the stupid vault so much.
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Eh, im 50/50 with the vault, it does give us an extra piece of gear which is nice starting out. I think they should just split the choice between PVE and PVP so we can choose one from each. Doesn’t make sense to make players choose which is more worth to them.
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This still leaves us with the RNG element screwing many characters over. I understand it’s a core element of PvE gearing (at least in WoW), but it doesn’t feel good when the rest of the PvP gearing system is deterministic. I want to make my own choices.
My suggestion was to increase the weekly Conquest cap as compensation for removing the Vault reward. You could still effectively gear at the same pace, but without the RNG element of either getting lucky with multiple BiS pieces or unlucky with multiple sub-optimal or even useless pieces.
Does activities a week for free gear… complains
If you remove the vault all you will conplain about is not getting enough gear every week
My suggestion was to increase the weekly Conquest cap as compensation for removing the Vault reward. Making the gearing completely deterministic through this method still makes it so that doing activities gives us gear. It’s the same thing, but without being random.
As it stands, the current Conquest gains are definitely designed around being supplemented by Vault gear. We aren’t meant to only get, like, an average of 0.75 pieces per week. It would be increased.
Maybe instead of making the gear RNG…Have a pool of loot to choose from that can compound week after week?
This of course could also work in PvE.
You know you get conquest points right???
It’s an RPG which means an element of chance and randomness is crucial. Dungeons and dragons was played with a pair of dice after all.
I like the free piece.
So what id like to see is if they keep tier, to remove it from vaults pvp gear drops. I want something like the catch up mechanic you can use for alts for tier, that was a weekly.
There should be some RNG protection on the vault drops too.
PVE gear shouldnt be optimal in PvP. I assume thats why you have to pick between a PvP and PVE vault. It would be better if you received both. So they could fix that.
Is that true across the board for all specs?
This would make us have to grind even more and longer and pieces we could get from the vault. I get what you’re saying about RNG but I’ll take my chances for the 1800 conquest weapon that I don’t have to farm lol.
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The smart way would be disabling set pieces from vault and when the catalyst unlocks - give 4 charges insta.
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i say no i want the pvp set bonus from the great vault so i can use in pvp. INcreases conquest won’t do jack because i want the items from the vault for the pvp set bonsus, something you can’t get with conquest gear.