Two completely different and unrelated things. Faction balance has been an issue since Vanilla with server populations being dominated by one faction. Its not really something you can fix, while still having two factions.
Examples please, and how you think they should be implemented.
Two completely different games, with different target audiences and playstyles. Not sure how ranked solo que would work in WoW, but Im all for it, if there is a way.
Completely subjective, and most likely untrue. Considering the WoW team has said that world wide faction numbers are close to balanced, but server groups gravitate toward one faction or the other. By and large the population everywhere has dropped.
Where did you get this info? Is this for the entire game, or for one server group. For US that sounds about right. Oceanic? It is probably the opposite. If you have the info link handy, I would be interested in seeing all the different population ratios.
Not sure what you mean here. Story wise, maybe it has been horde heavy. Again faction balance will never be a thing with two divided factions. Players will want to play with the largest number of other players. Over time, either gradually or quickly, servers or battlegroups will end up heavily weighted to one faction.
Even if you forcefully balanced both factions. Players would migrate to one or the other, to play with the most people possible. Split faction MMO’s all suffer this. Over time a games population naturally declines. As all factions start to thin out, players want to still play with large populations of other players. Faction divides may start small. But gradually it goes from 55%/45% to 60%/40% and so on till one faction is dominant and the other is dead. You can fight it, but its inevitable
I’m not trying to defend Blizzard because they have plenty to answer for but I don’t think you can compare removing some emotes with changing faction balance of the entire game lol.
Your numbers are wrong.
Look at the graphic you just linked it says level 120, thats severely outdated.
The ones ive seen show it around 75-25 and its the same on EU, Oceanic and Asian servers as well
Is it, ok didnt notice that, thanks (:
I want to argue this.
But…I had wtf is this wintergrasp last night I jsut said I am done…and logged on to the horde to pvp.
A wintergrasp, defence to salt the wound, that was over in the time it took me to walk to take BT, come back see east wall down…and match end as horde took down inner wall.
6 minutes if that. I’ve seen horde fail a defence. its took 15 minutes though. We needed, and worked for the tower kills to cut time. still lost. Alliance earned the kill. that time…
This was straight up SR stomp and steamroll the damn walls…
Most players didn’t start moving hard core to horde until Cata and that was during Dragon Soul raid.
From Vanilla up to then Alliance had the numbers.
It is more then just racials that keep players from coming back . It is the excessive moaning and groaning of alliance players constantly complaining . I would honestly play my alliance toons more if it wasn’t for that and the fact that from my experience the trade chat for the server my alliance toons are on is toxic beyond a level I have never seen on my horde servers.
Exactly.
You can’t fix player perception.
When most of their attitudes are the equivalent of “ewww alliance”. What can Blizz do.
I’ve already demonstrated multiple ways they can fix it, stop giving a billion dollar corporation a copout for making 1 faction useless in a 2 faction game.
That is simply inexcusable and a HUGE game balance failure.
- Buff Alliance racials. Make Alliance racials the clear better choice, people will switch. Right now the racials are too close so most people stay Horde.
- Interesting Alliance only quests/storylines and content.
- A cool Alliance only mount
- Cool new race for Alliance not the lame ones we have gotten so far
- Revamping old Alliance areas, make them more interesting and relevant in the current game.
Many many things they can do but it starts with fixing the racials
Unless you overpower racials, you aint fixing squat, and even then you’ll create other issues.
I’ve chatted with numerous Horde, observed numerous Hordie behavior and Alliance is almost taboo. Only real and tangible option is letting both factions play together. Past that I read your points, don’t see it changing anything.
I’ve already said how they can fix it.
Your option to do nothing will only lead to an eventual 90-10 imabalance.
Many Alliance players will unsub frustrated with the game and lack of positive changes for Alliance.
But hey, don’t listen to me and keep watching the game die.
Absolute joke that you defend Blizz lack of balance in a 2 faction game leaving 1 faction to just decline into nothing is inexcusable.
Yes and I pointed out how that won’t fix anything but cause other issues since your main point was;
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Most I’ve heard, don’t care… they just do raid, dungeon, pvp stuff… go horde 'cause they feel it’s better playerpool.
We got a bee mount and had hordies complain they don’t get anything, didn’t see them switch.
That won’t make a lick of difference to sway the horde.
Too vague and even some I’ve seen speak of how alliance have cooler hubs or areas but that never swayed their choice.
Why are people incapable of differentiating what is seen as defending and what is seen as being called out for not providing any sensible solution that wouldn’t inadvertently just cause other issues.
NOT EVERYONE IS DEFENDING BLIZZARD.
And its not even racials.
Alliance gets some decent racials. If used well.
I like NE dk and DH in pvp like AV or IOC.
Most people expect the stealthed druid/rogue/hunter.
They don’t expect the stealthed DK. Netted me many kills in bg that one taking a DK or DH and melding on an objective.
While rng…void elf is a dps boost.
Alliance in pvp has issues not racial. they blow up on mistakes. Massively. Horde gets this too but most of us go dude…its 1 minute into the match. stop being an idiot, get on the regroup plan and we work this .
and its not entirely because of bad players. Its…spoiled players. alliance gets more pops. So they get “just let them win” too quick.
Horde…not an option. waited 30 minutes for this wintergrasp pop we are going to make it work. No one likes WG…but here we are. We need honor and conquest (on wins)…screw its. this or wait 30 more minute.
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Alliance racials could be a 10% DPS increase at worst and players wouldn’t swap back to Alliance over it.
The two best racials in the game right now are the Night Elf and Dwarf/Dark Iron racials, for the most part. But the best racial in the entire game by a huge margin is the racial all Horde players get: the one where they have access to the overwhelming majority of the playerbase to group with.
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I saw that a lot when I was chain-running Korrak’s Revenge a couple years ago.
So many times, as Horde, the Alliance would steamroll all the towers (since the map favors Alliance and the Horde base is made of wet crepe paper) while the Horde was just getting the first 2 done. And the Alliance would sit there and wait and the timers would clearly show they were going to win. And Horde would just say “Just pull Vann anyway, we have nothing to lose” and then horde would win.
Happened over and over and over again.
Meanwhile, every time I played on my Alliance characters, it was just a ton of “don’t kill the NPC’s just root them” then somebody would break it and everyone would start yelling at each other. And if you tried to say “this is dumb, we need to kill them” people would eviscerate you in chat. And then if things started going south everybody would just start talking about how Alliance can never win because everything is so unfair. It was really frustrating and depressing.
They did in Cata, we literally have proof when human racial was best. What are you talking about? Lmao.
Alliance racials are about dead even with Horde now, they need to be clearly better for Horde players to transfer.
This isn’t rocket science and it’s already been done in Cata, not sure why you are being weird and pretending otherwise.
Alliance has gems. One player on a pandaran monk runs semi-premades my times played sometime. and if lucky you catch the open slots. can’t name them since it be “name shaming”.
Love running in their crew when I catch em. Even loses you walk away going horde just legit played better. No racial stuff…legit good play.
I’d follow that panda to the gates of hell. Jsut too few of these gems.
Even horde knows this player. so “leaders” go okay folks this alliance won’t shatter in 2 minutes. so…bring the a game. No slop play.
Cataclysm isn’t Shadowlands. The playerbase as a whole is MUCH more competitive now than it was back then, and the population is far more concentrated into about a dozen servers now than it was back in Cataclysm. One of the most important parts about competition is being able to play with the largest number of competent players, and Horde delivers in spades.
Horde servers have more players, and thus more stable economies, and thus more incentives for players to forego any benefit from an Alliance racial to ensure they stay there and reap those benefits.
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I like how you are on EVERY single one of these threads defending Horde racials.
Idk why you care so much you have 31k achievs and no rating over 1600 you clearly arent a pvper so this doesn’t apply to you in the first place.
why tbcc is seeing alot of transfers. Not making anyone happy in the process.
and its not even faction imbalance. Although an issue…Some servers were almost 50/50…now not. The same faction doesn’t want the refugees.
RPPVP grobbulos took in lots of non RP refugees. NOn rp not an issue…some of the refugees are just pita’s with the crap they brought over. KInd of why those who rp go rp servers. As long as not acting the fool…no issues with non rp in the hood usually.
There were classic “PvP” servers that were single faction because Blizzard decided to deal with population overflow and let faction balance fix itself. Guess who took the free server transfers? Yeah, the entire minority faction population on some realms.