Sub also nerfed (those slight PvP buffs wont make a difference for sub) but Outlaw and Assassin got some strong buffs it looks like today for 11.0.2.
I was already decimating people in a Deathmark/bomb in seconds.
So with the nerfs to Vanish, gouge, kidney to their durations or cooldowns, and with recupe also getting nerfed (that’s hilarious, good job useless rogue def, people didnt even use the ability since its been broke all season and its not fixed yet), they clearly want us to stay in combat, and only use vanish for a feign death strat, but just so we instantly come out for more damage.
So, vanish is a damage defensive now for Subterfuge, and CC’s are a lot less even more now.
Strange how the quickest burst spec of all 3 specs for rogue is now a “look at my purple blades dance” while the DOT spec is the quickest burst spec
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They claimed that Rogues gained more tools in DF and TWW but Shadow Dance is no longer available to Assassination or Outlaw.
But if they truly believe that the nerf to Kidney Shot (again) is a good idea. Then, that means it is a straight up huge buff to Cheap Shot just like in the middle of DF. Especially with 2 charges of Vanish now.
Nerf to Gouge isn’t going to move the needle for PVP situations because you are going to be using Cheap Shot more anyways. Pointless nerf to Gouge and Kidney Shot.
Recup being nerfed is a joke because you have to be missing a few neurons to even take this talent at this point.
The crazy thing is that Assassination is going to be stronger with better gear over time. Outlaw and Sub will face challenges as people gear up.
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They face challenges now. I havent been beaten by a sub rogue at all since season 4 hit lol. at the same time, in bg’s they’re very rare and more rare in soloq (because they’re pointless atm)
People already die incredibly fast with Assassin right now. I can imagine with the changes coming and better gear, its going to be really nasty damage.
Blizzard feels like internet explorer with the changes they always make. Nerf a spec that’s already in the gutter, buff a specc that’s already to the moon in damage. In the category they’re already weak/strong in (pve/pvp)
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Blizzard just doesn’t want rogues to have more control than any other class even tho thats exactly the role of a rogue and how it was designed as a class 20 years ago. 1 step closer to every class being identical in every way aside from animations.
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lol i think its funny that stuns are being nerfed due to pvp reasons. I went through 5 or 6 bgs and no one was playing rogues. Looks like they are just putting another nail in the coffin. I stated on the forums that the only way for rogues to jump ship now as to mess with the only defense rogues have and that was their cc. Sorry i mentioned it.
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I basically just play assassin and stealth just to get subterfuge now and spam the whole party with bleeds. As long as i have a healer, assassins will be very dangerous with the aoe bleeds so often. Super sucks for Sub, but the strategizing isnt worth it atm if you cant stay in stealth but for a second
It’s still dookie because now Vanish cant be a defense. It’s all about offense.
I’ll be playing assassin/warrior and get my super zugzug on in TWW
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I guess what really bugs the hell out of me is the fact rogues just dont feel like rogues used to and thats a me problem i suppose but dmn rogue has always been my favorite class since tbc. Also it doesnt help that i occasionally log on era and play rogue how it was originally intended.
Id take cc over damage buffs anyday, this game is just becoming more and more arcadey.
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It’s really hard to say what their design intentions are at this point honestly. The class is barely functional at the moment, and at the current rate the expansion is going to release with them having nerfed more things than they have fixed bugs at this point.
They’re really showing us their priorities when we have 4 years of Recoup being bugged and not functioning properly, but they justify nerfing it despite the talent just not actually doing what the tooltip says for the last 4 years. It never once has given the healing claimed on the tooltip, and is currently not giving more than the initial application anyway.
So, we are nerfing things that aren’t even functioning properly instead of actually working on fixing things? Alright. Just delete the class already then. Obviously they want to.
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If that is their goal that is fine but the problem is where is the damage if they are taking away CC?
Sub should have more out of stealth damage and outside of CD windows. Outlaw shoudl be able to go toe to toe with Arms, Rets and Fury Warriors. Assassination is strong already but it is missing basic defensives that all DPS specs have in their talent trees.
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