- This is cheaper than the previous mount and currently well below the spider mount
- This is not the only time people couldn’t buy tokens by a longshot
- Your suggestion misses the entire point of the token. It facilitates an exchange of money for gold. If you want to trade in your gold there needs to be somebody who wants to buy, its that simple.
I think people are just trying to get other people to quit so they can buy the tokens.
“Oh the Tokens will never be there again! Everyone should quit ASAP!” - then they wait
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we got until Jan 6th 
I want to get the mount also.
I’ll wait until the rush is over then buy my tokens.
They’ll be cheaper by then anyway.
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I disagree with point 1 since the mount cost in game gold. It didn’t cost $$ unless you decided to put a real money pricetag on it by purchasing tokens. This on the other hand is explicitly $90, and while I get the “interchangability” of gold and real money through tokens, it’s disingenuous to presume everyone treats these two scenarios as the same. I’m sure some people do, but let’s not suggest everyone does.
Point 2 - ok, fair
Point 3 - I’m not missing the point of the token. I get how it works. I’m arguing that people fail to acknowledge that how it works is all effectively arbitrary because it’s just rules that Blizzard made up. i.e. they can therefore break them (yeah I get it, they won’t because money > upsetting customers).
Maybe if I made the argument “Just put the mount in game for 5mil gold” or the argument “just make it a reward for an achievement” people would stop conflating what I’m saying with a failure to understand how tokens work. Every aspect of this is artificial. The pricetag. The scarcity of tokens. The way tokens work. The pricetag of tokens. etc. etc.
In other words, “how it works” is all a construct that people are buying into and acting like it’s somehow unbreakable. I get “why” tokens work the way they do and I get why Blizzard probably has little incentive to do anything about this mount (messing with token supply or any other change for that matter). But acting like this isn’t all 100% their decision is… wild.
They could put the mount on sale for $2 tomorrow if they wanted to. They could just give it to people who have been subscribers for all 20 consecutive years. They could take it down and stop selling it. They could make it a raid drop at the end of BRD. They could bump the price up to $1000. And so on. But suggesting “put more tokens into the market” apparently means I don’t understand how it works, but it’s just as arbitrary as everything else.
There are some wild takes in this thread. Holy frijoles.
Kkona!
Let the gold worth increase, I got $20 with blizzard’s name on it.
I hope it hits 500k.
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I bought a LOT of tokens when the wow token dropped to like 175k gold, so if the wow token continues to go up I’ll be sitting pretty. Though I don’t think it’ll creep north of DF numbers
No, but you can sell the bronto I suppose using the gift function.
Yep they set the price and also can just create tokens, theyre not blockchain.
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For Blizzard, it’s better for you to buy with gold. Don’t worry, this is a self-rectifying problem, people will wait until they’re comfortable they can get premium or acceptable gold for their money, and there will be a soft influx of tokens again - likely just as purchases off the AH slow down, giving people all their room to breathe again.
Blizzard makes more off of these tokens and the relative gold exchange than they would off of you spending 90 directly.
They DO create tokens - literally every time someone buys a token to sell on the AH for gold, a token is created.
However, someone needs to have bought a token with real money for it to be on the auction house.
Blizzard is not running a charity. This is not rocket science.
I bought 4 tokens earlier today for 932k total.
If I used the balance to buy 3 and sold them now I would have 999k total.
Hope this helps.
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So, theres been times when they needed to simulate demand in tokens by either creation or deletion of tokens. It usually evens out, but if noone buys tokens listed on AH, due to too many being there, blizz will and send the gold themselves. On the other end, if none were on AH, blizz would put some there to stimulate sales.
Its like free fries at McDonald’s. You buy a burger or drink you probably didn’t even want just to get the fries because that’s good marketing.
Do you have an example of this that isn’t just social influence?
If they want tokens gone off the AH, they can make an overpriced mount people want.
If they want tokens on the AH, they can make an overpriced mount people want … for gold.
Like, to be clear, you understand that what you’re saying here;
isn’t just Blizzard being kind with gold. It’s Blizzard handing out the equivalent of real money, because those tokens can be used to buy entire games.
I can spend the gold to buy Diablo 4’s expansion, any edition if I so choose. They’re not in the business of giving that out without somewhere along the line making their dollar for it. Nor should they, that’s idiotic.
Yeah…you know blizz does giveaways all the time right? People who use only tokens to buy stuff off the real money store aren’t going to spend real money anyways…and some of those may actually see something they spend real money on anyways since blizz would only put a few tokens at a time. They could literally do a blizz-generated token for every 3 tokens sold and not even miss out on cash.
Digital items are infinite. Blizzard loses nothing and gains interest in their cash shop by giving someone a reason to look at it. They already do bulk cdkey sales to websites at 1/4 or 1/2 value.
Again. Not a nft. Not blockchain. Not even backed up properly in a second database, based on guild bank fiasco. Just unlocking digital pixels already in the game files , or letting someone play a game they’d never touch otherwise.
Also, d4 expansion is already dead. It bombed.
I would rather pay $90 to sit on a brutosaur right outside of the AH than play Diablo 4
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D4 expansion is basically physical torture to gamers so yeah if i had to choose between being forced to play free d4 or spending 100 bucks to not play D4 and get a mount I would drop the hundo.
And what do any of those have to do with token sales on the AH?
They don’t need to. Since every AH token is already paid for with real money, Blizzard has already made the money they want from any Token to Blizzard Balance conversion.
You have no clue what you’re talking about.
Yes, but it doesn’t matter how infinite it is if they’re doled out conditionally (being paid for via the app to be placed on the AH for sale.)
The AH stock of tokens is not infinite even if there is no limit to the number of tokens Blizzard can generate.
You have no clue how either of those work, what I’m describing has literally nothing to do with NFTs or blockchain.
TL;DR, for you:
Every time I get game time with gold, that is making good on 20 dollars Blizzard already made.
Youre starting to understand…adding tokens only makes blizzard more money because the gold leaves the game and thus people buy more tokens to get gold.
However - by the same rule, they can also buy back tokens they’ve sold for ingame gold, and literally make money every time.
Example
Blizz sells a token to a player for 200k gold. Golds gone from the game forever.
Blizz then buys a token from another player for 200k.
Net gain for blizz? 20 bucks. It does not change their profits.
Even if it did…they just gained 5 bucks for nothing. Same as when the player converts the token to sub fee or cash shop currency.
This is actually done by almost every mmo company who has ever used cash shop token systems because it makes them money and fixes the inherent issue of supply and demand.
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If Blizzard adds tokens to the AH, it’s charity.
They have not been paid for those tokens.
I seriously think you don’t get how this works even at a consumer level.
The way Blizzard makes money off of tokens is by making gold into a nebulous form of credit.
Someone pays for the token up front, and then there’s the promise it’ll be sold on the AH to someone who wants to use that 20 dollars at a 5 dollar markdown (for balance or for game time.)
By the time the token is on the auction house, they have already made the money.
Ergo, they want you to buy gold. They want you to buy game time and balance with gold, too, because of the 5 dollar differential.
Blizzard only sells tokens they have made the money for.
Think of it like the token needing a receipt before it can be used on the AH - it has to be paid for before it’s good for anything, like many modern gift cards.
Your math is flawed bucko. 1 minus 1 is 0. 0 tokens added by simply evening out when they buy and sell auction house tokens. Only pure profit.
Like most people you literally are unable to do simple math.
Make token. Delete token.
Net tokens added: 0