I would wager that most players who enjoy epic BGs specifically have no interest in ratings or arenas or even regular BGS. Just in having some casual pvp competition between doing other stuff in the game. They don’t care about the latest meta specs or whatever the latest tactic is. That’s why so often epic BGs are full of goofs that just follow the crowd and do seemingly random things. And you have the trash talkers insulting everyone or claiming defeat before the gates even open. The group-limitation kind of enforces that rec-league suburban playground environment.
But the frustration over the sync-grouped premades is it brings all the taunting and hostility and meta-gaming of BGs and arenas to the casual epic BG environment. It’s kind of become a necessary evil out of survival. Speaking for myself it means I only do epics until I get a single win on any character and then I’m out. I dread them now as much as I dread regular BGs, but at least I can tolerate epics for one win. I just hope Blizzard does something to cripple syncing so epics go back to being casual fun again.
We do try to teach the pugs. We say hey, don’t cap docks, it gives them free glaive respawns. Hey, don’t leave hangar undefended. Don’t bring the demos or glaives directly to the gate in range of the cannons. The response? Shut up, you’re a jerk, you’re not my dad and so on. This is why we’d rather play with our friends. I teach people who want to learn. You want to learn? Listen to raid leads and stop disagreeing with what raid leaders call out.
Sorry, the toxicity comes from PuG’s who don’t want to be lead. Most of the time a leader has to try and compensate for people who act counter to the interests of the group.
How many times have you seen Randoms hanging out around Balinda or Galvangar? How many times have you seen PuG players go and steal the docks, resetting the Glaive count? How many times have you seen players build demos only to sit in them at some obscure map location? How about those guys minding the back door when your mage tower is being assaulted, or you frag turn-in guy gets ganked?
So pugs not knowing the small details of each epic bg map is toxicity? And rather than helping them it’s obviously better to just GY farm them with a 40 man premade? To the point where some of the epic BG premade players have millions of HK’s.
Don’t forget toxic rated pvp sweats are the reason for this happening btw!
I mean, it’s just one way to go about things. I don’t know how people get it into their heads that the “”“strat”“” they use is the only conceivable way to go about playing the map.
Or that anybody cares to listen to some Sun Tzu wannabe who can’t play actual competitive modes.
H, the language, the unwillingness to follow a proven strat, or the just plain sloth with players who lurk but don’t contribute generally leads to unacceptable language and a variety of retaliations when it is called out. If you tell me you haven’t seen it in EBG’s, then I say you have never run an EBG.
It’s almost like there’s a reason it’s called “Random Epic Battlegrounds”. You can’t expect 40 people to listen to you when the game mode isn’t designed for 40 players to be coordinated.
What if I’m not queuing for “Random” epic battlegrounds? What if, for example, everyone in my premade is queuing for a SPECIFIC BG, like let’s say…Wintergrasp?
Then would you say that would be “okay?”
After all, according to your logic, we’re not ACTUALLY queuing for “random” epic battlegrounds, so people shouldn’t expect to be placed in with just random people.
I hope you can see my point. “Random” has nothing to do with the players who queue, but rather SOLELY for the BG map selected.
If Blizz didn’t intend for leaders to lead, there would not be a raid lead who can /rw…And the pugs we are talking about deliberately do things they were specifically asked not to do, with explanations of WHY. How much more can we do?
The 40 man battlegrounds aren’t designed and aren’t supposed to be played with a premade, that’s why Blizzard put in a 5 player premade group cap.
Syncing several 5 player groups to queue at the same second is abusing the 5 player limit.
But yes, the random part obviously has nothing to do with the group of players, but the IQ of the epic bg premaders posting in this thread is so low i can’t help myself sometimes.
You’re entirely right about that. When I think of pugs not listening its in maps like AV or Ashran where we need to back up and recap things(AV) or pull back and push the objective forward(Ashran) and they’d rather just sit afk at the furthest forward point doing nothing instead of playing the objective.
The first person to zone in gets lead, though, don’t they? It’s more of a carryover feature from premade groups that doesn’t really serve a function in BGs as you can’t remove people, etc.
Actually AV was the first EBG and it was specifically designed for premade groups. The group/ raid finder features were added later as a means to promote easier access.
I don’t remember this being the case. With battles lasting days on end, people were always coming and going. Sure, groups could and would join for a while and then leave. If I recall, it was designed to be a non-instanced zone where you could complete quests and gather reagents when you weren’t fighting the other faction. It certainly could support premade groups, but I don’t think it was specifically designed for them.
