Go back to WotLK&MoP Class Design!

Feaora-illidan · February 11, 2019, 7:06pm

Yea mages actual rotation was spam Remove Curse

Elynos-sargeras · February 11, 2019, 7:07pm

back when?

Reesespieces-stormreaver · February 11, 2019, 7:09pm

Let’s use MoP as an example, since that was the last time we had good class design.

Elynos-sargeras · February 11, 2019, 7:16pm

no we didn’t, every spec could do everything that’s not good class design.

Reesespieces-stormreaver · February 11, 2019, 7:17pm

Way to get away from the point you were trying to argue.

Oh, and the PvP meta was great.

Elynos-sargeras · February 11, 2019, 7:20pm

I don’t have any point other than you’re the failure not class design.

Deflux-uldaman · February 11, 2019, 7:23pm

wow rogues could raid heal back then, didn’t know that…

Gaunterr-wyrmrest-accord · February 11, 2019, 7:25pm

Dude, folks at classic forums would chew you alive for this statement haha

Reesespieces-stormreaver · February 11, 2019, 7:25pm

Wew, this is peak white knight posting “Y-youre the failure”

That’s it?

You asked “back when” with regard to a time when tier didn’t complete classes. I gave you one, you tried to dodge that, and then fell back to “nou” when called on it.

2/10 work on your trolling.

Deflux-uldaman · February 11, 2019, 7:26pm

back then you could also have different level of spells I believe (was a long time ago and many o games for me )

Siégfriéd-terenas · February 11, 2019, 7:27pm

Actually alot of people argued many of the tier peices were required for them to be “good” because they were just that powerful. Warrior comes to mind alot of times…

Deflux-uldaman · February 11, 2019, 7:28pm

No they said they needed it to compete not to be fun to play… (it’s not one in the same)

Illidette-hyjal · February 11, 2019, 7:29pm

Hmm.

Hunters…

1.Serpent Sting.
2.Arcane Shot.
3.Aimed Shot if talented.
4.Steady Shot.
5.Aspect of the Eagle
6.Aspect of the Viper
7.Aspect of the Monkey
8.Aspect of the Pack
9.Aspect of the Dragonhawk(think it was called this anyway, if I recall)
10.Frost Trap.
11.Freezing Trap.
12.Explosive Trap
13.Scare Beast.
14.Tame Beast.
15.Beast Lore.
16.Disengage
17.Feign Death
18.Raptor Strike
19.Wing Clip
20.Flare
21.Concussive Shot
22.Viper Sting
23.Mend Pet
24.Dismiss Pet.
25.Kill Shot
26.Eyes of the Beast(You are dearly missed)

Fast forward to WoD where some had been removed but most remained, could even add Dire Beast, which is now a talent(that’s too weak to justify ever picking), hell could add Frenzy too, I honestly liked that mechanic with BM during WoD.

Obviously some of those are still around such as Concussive Shot, Flare, Tame Beast, etc… But every single thing I listed was available to ALL 3 spec’s. That’s not even counting mid to end of talent tree talents like Black Arrow, Explosive Shot and Beastial Wrath.

I’ve also left some things out. Everything listed had a use. It made Hunters, Hunters. Of course with no deadzone now things like Raptor Strike/Wing Clip aren’t needed for BM/MM but everything else? Why remove it? Traps were a core mechanic to hunters. Eyes of the Beast was fun and could be used as a scouting tool. Kill Shot was a good execute. I could go on and on.

But this is just one class. You claimed 15-20 unique abilities is impossible. But pre WoD, every class had far more. Yes a lot of those are shared but they were unique to the class. Class thematics are important. Class gameplay is important. And like I said, I left a slew of other abilities out, several of which were spec based through talents and stuff.

Classes being engaging and having depth is a good thing. Classes being 3-5 button snoozefests is a bad thing.

Hell, even thinking of current class design. Remove PvP talents entirely and put what once was default back. Add some of the newer things as new abilities or talents. BM could be a lot more fun in PvE if I could use Dire Beast:Hawk for added AoE, or pop the Dire Beast: Basalisk during the burn phase for added single target.

That’s part of why classes are in a bad state though. Things classes had and by all intents and purposes SHOULD have are in the PvP talent tree to try and get people to turn Warmode on. A lot of the PvP talents compliment the PvE gameplay of specs really well and its downright depressing in the current state.

TLDR: I’ve rambled. Shrug.

Gaunterr-wyrmrest-accord · February 11, 2019, 7:29pm

I remember playing as shaman healer and had rank 1 healing wave, rank 2 healing wave and rank 3 etc on my action bars, to conserve mana i had to use different rank healing depending on how much mana i had.

It was fun as we had to focus on managing the mana to ensure it doesnt run out xD

Elynos-sargeras · February 11, 2019, 7:29pm

no they wouldn’t they know it’s true. The only thing they could come up with is “raiding isn’t everything man” and other lame comebacks like that.

Siégfriéd-terenas · February 11, 2019, 7:30pm

To some…one is the same. To some they needed it to be really viable and useful, and thus make it fun to play by being able to be invited into raids, where those dropped. Yeah see the cycle thats always been there?

Elynos-sargeras · February 11, 2019, 7:30pm

all i see there that is unique is eyes of the beast.

Gaunterr-wyrmrest-accord · February 11, 2019, 7:32pm

Good luck making this statement there, it’s like playing with fire lol

Deflux-uldaman · February 11, 2019, 7:32pm

To some maybe, but I seem to recall more threads about damage balance and healing balance and balance in general, than my class plays like crap threads back then…

Siégfriéd-terenas · February 11, 2019, 7:33pm

You “recall” but can’t say for certain, just that you remember. See…thing about anecdotal things…they suck. There has always been classes that feel they are designed bad, could be more, and QQ about it.