So…is there a way to switch from gnome to gob or vice versa without dumping eng completely? I thought maybe there was…but I vaguely remember having to drop eng.
Also…I assume u can’t use the teleporter of one faction even if you have it, unless you are that faction…pondering if I would prefer to keep gome for the tanaris teleport which takes me fast to ungoro to farm arcanite crystals…decisions decisions. any thoughts?
You have to drop Eng entirely to switch from gnome to goblin, and then level it all the way back up to max again, last I checked. Unless you are in the top 1% of the best PvP players in the world, I wouldn’t bother with this kind of soul-crushing grind. Engineering takes long enough to max out with the first time.
It’s not that difficult man. stone is cheap 
re-raising it again as I just did is nothing, prob have half the mats in the bank sitting there for it, was just tryign to remember the repercussions and what not. I already made all the “bop” gnomish items…and gnome really doesn’t offer anything onc eyouve’ “built” it other than the teleporter I guess…which sounds like you can’t use it as goblin…that alone migh tmake me not do this because I think I need tanaris TP for mining purposes
The main reason to combine Gnome & Goblin training is to use the speciality items connected to both of them, like the goblin sapper charges & the less unreliable gnomish rocket boots. I don’t think both of the teleporters work, like you said, but the main reason to bother with this route is to have a wider range of PvP tools to choose from. As a mage, with a crazy amount of utility, stuns & CC at your command, I don’t think this would be necessary for you.
So assuming you wanted to do this are you supposed to start with goblin and then switch to gnome ? Or gnome than switch to goblin ? Or does it even matter ?
Gnome then goblin so you can craft goblin sapper charges. You’ll use them regularly.
i thought there was a book somewhere (maybe booty bay) that you could switch that
You go Gnome to Goblin because Gnome stuff is all trinkets, whereas some Goblin specialties are consumables, like Sapper Charge, Big One and Mortar (6 charges which you then refill with 1 mithril, 1 solid powder and 1 trigger I think).
You can use every Gnome trinket as a Goblin engy as long as your engineer level is high enough, so once you craft every Gnome item, there is no point in staying as Gnome Engy unless you want to fill some weird niche of trying to sell gnome trinkets to other engineers. Only things you can’t use once you change to Goblin are the Gadget transporter, World Enlarger and Lil Smoky pet I believe, and all those are pretty meaningless novelty items.
You could also try to just buy many of the Gnome trinkets off a Gnome engy, so you can go Goblin from the start. However, A LOT of engineers go Goblin from the start already…and the others will go Gnome to build their stuff and then drop it, so you might have some trouble actually finding the ability to buy all the Gnome stuff, your mileage will vary based on server I suppose. A lot of people do not stick with Gnome so it’s your risk if you want to try to find the Gnome items for sale if you go Goblin first.
It’s also really not that bad of a grind. You can easily level up your mining/engy while going 1-60 so you should have all the gnome stuff made by your early 50s up to 60, drop it at like 265 engy when you have it all, then go Goblin with the extra mats you stored on a bank alt. Buy what you might need off the AH. The only expensive/slightly grindy part is getting through the Thorium levels of engineering, which takes roughly 200 thorium bars, which is why you ignore those mostly as a Gnome since the cut off for the trinkets is, I believe, 265 or so.
Going from 270 to 300 is basically you spamming thorium widgets and thorium tubes and no new Gnome items can be made at this level.
And you want to do this before you learn recipes like Thorium Shells, Sniper Scope and the 3% hit scope as those are all hard to obtain or expensive recipes and you will permanently lose them if you drop engineering and level it again, so only learn these once you’re on your second pass with Goblin.
Also about the transporters, the Winterspring one for Goblin is superior because you can teleport to the zone needed for Wintersaber rep, Timbermaw rep, various Warlock quests, Ony attunement parts, one of the best zones for farming Thorium, one of the best zones for farming winter squid and nightfins as well. The Gnome teleporter is only good because it takes you close to Silithus when AQ is released…but who cares, just fly or get summoned by your raid.
ah I made a world enlarger, didn’t realize it had the ‘requires gnome’ on it.
yeah you go gnome first because almost all of the gnome trinks are “bind on pickup” aka they can’t be sold. Conversely if you have a goblin alt that option could work too, have the goblin make the stuff you need and send to your gnome.
I didn’t realize winterspring was good for farming rich thorium?(arcanite)…compared to the ungoro/silithus/other options. So I won’t regret not having the gadgetzan TP for mining purposes u think?
Yes, I think it was in tanaris. Don’t reset the prof, you can change it in game for sure.
Winterspring has a really good Thorium route, although it takes you through a lot of 58-60 elites so it isn’t perfect for every class if they can’t escape from the aggro or solo them 1 by 1 to get to a vein. I personally consider it the better transporter for that and the high level fishing. If you are interested in grinding for the Wintersaber mount, it’s definitely no contest. Can also be nice if you want to instantly go there to check for the vendor tailoring recipes during off-hours if you want to list them on the AH.
Also I don’t remember how many Gnome items are BoP or BoE since I just went Gnome to get them and they’ve all been equipped to me for a while now. I think are a few you can buy and some you can’t, but it’s all kind of whatever.
I do think it is worth going Gnome first and then changing to Gob, if anything, the Death Ray alone is worth it IMO. It’s a uselful rotation addition for most stages of the game and is excellent in PvP when you get an opening to use it. Having access to Death Ray and the Goblin explosives is just very good, you want as many tools available to you as possible in this game, otherwise you’re literally nerfing yourself compared to the people who went the extra mile.
Yeah this mage is just an alt 
My warrior has all the gnomish stuff now. I think I may stay gnome for the tanaris TP then, because as a war I won’t want to deal with all that 58-60 ag farming rich thoriums. Ungoro/silith prob is my best option. I’ll have to have another of my alts level up gob eng then and mail him the stuff/craft for him. What’s the requirement level 45 to max out a prof?
to the guy who syas you can switch without dropping…u sure that wasn’t tbc bro?
They guy you want to talk to is a little gnome in hut in the north section of Steamweddle Port, which is on the east coast of Tanaris…east of Gadget.
Is engineering actually worth it ? I feel it is a gold sink and not even sure if the gadgets are worth it?
After all these years and all these expacs, why does it seem that engineering is the only profession with such a choice? Leatherworking got rid of theirs, alchemy’s is merely a bonus to potions or flasks but you can still make them as far as I know, blacksmithing doesn’t require armorsmith or weaponsmith specialty, why does engineering?
Worth for the Min/Max 'ing in PvP.