So i was just working on my weekly islands and working on making sure to target rare mobs and such to try to maximize odds of a drop. Mind you I was also doing my 1 normal one of the week to minimize my total number of runs for the week.
On to the story...
I look down in my chat and realize one of my fellow group members is griefing me for not pulling everything quote "ur pulls r sh!t". I responded with 'my sh!ts given is zero'. 30 seconds later I see you have been removed from group and I have a 30 minute deserter debuff...
Seriously? I get if the group wanted to kick me whatever, but to get the 30 minute desserter debuff on top of it? What it to stop people now from just randomly kicking any under performing member of their group, and for them to get punished like that? Looking at my damage meters I was doing 3x everyone else was in my group and I got kicked.
Just feels wrong and a great way to encourage trolls and bullies.
You have to look at it from another perspective too.. If they removed the vtk people would still troll and bully... They'd just do it in other ways... Like force you to die over and over, afk, or just mock you the entirety of the instance until you leave. I'd rather just be kicked.
-- The deserter debuff is working as intended, it is keeping you from getting in that same group, its giving you time to calm down, and it is also a blind judge.. It doesn't know the difference between you being bad or the group trolling you.
-- The deserter debuff is working as intended, it is keeping you from getting in that same group, its giving you time to calm down, and it is also a blind judge.. It doesn't know the difference between you being bad or the group trolling you.
See i can just /ignore if someone is being a jerk in the chat, idgaf about that, but getting deserter because 2 people you dont know wanted a chuckle for no reason other than MUH LULZ is beyond annoying.10/29/2018 05:14 AMPosted by ZyzylYou have to look at it from another perspective too.. If they removed the vtk people would still troll and bully... They'd just do it in other ways... Like force you to die over and over, afk, or just mock you the entirety of the instance until you leave. I'd rather just be kicked.
And they cant force you to die if youre l33tmlgprosairhorndoritossikknoscopes pro. Or a blood dk.
I had a couple of kicks on my rogue alt for only sniping rares and exploring.. those kicks only happened when there was a premade duo.
I suggest that if you see people with the same server name/guild you either stick with them or just leave and save the hussle of dealing with that kind of people abusing the system..
and with abusing I mean the duo premade can afk on the boat if they want there's nothing the 3rd random can do about it, they control the group and they put the rules which leaves the random as hostage following the other two in a high position of power where you're in risk of getting kick any time without any warning if the other two want..
I suggest that if you see people with the same server name/guild you either stick with them or just leave and save the hussle of dealing with that kind of people abusing the system..
and with abusing I mean the duo premade can afk on the boat if they want there's nothing the 3rd random can do about it, they control the group and they put the rules which leaves the random as hostage following the other two in a high position of power where you're in risk of getting kick any time without any warning if the other two want..
With my family and work commitments I have about 45 minutes to play any given week day. Losing 30 minutes because 2 people want to get a chuckle, not ok in my opinion. Unless that is intended, then I'll take my sub else where. Even if they just keep getting themselves killed over and over, i can pretty much solo a normal island and still beat the npc's. 365 prot paly is pretty much invincible in normal.
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I really don't get how someone gets kicked off the island unless you are afk and not registering on the dps meter. Or unless you all agree b4 hand to stay as a group and you ignore it and take off away from the group. Out of all the islands I have ran we have only kicked 1 due to afk. Usually if your productive no one really cares.
While I know it sort of defeats some of the ease of a queue system, just give a shout in you main city saying you are doing islands what you plan to do and if anyone wants to tag along. You just need one other person to keep from getting kicked. If no one responds you won’t be any worse off.
Yeah it sucks they can kick you. And normal islands are fairly easy you don’t even need a full group so there is no real reason for anyone to try to work together. Don’t like you? Boop out you go for no real reason. Stinks.
Yeah it sucks they can kick you. And normal islands are fairly easy you don’t even need a full group so there is no real reason for anyone to try to work together. Don’t like you? Boop out you go for no real reason. Stinks.
If they remove vote to kick, what's to stop me from joining and just afking?
The deserter debuff from islands is silly, but it's necessary unfortunately.
That said, it really should be changed to only affect islands, not dungeons/LFR as well.
The deserter debuff from islands is silly, but it's necessary unfortunately.
That said, it really should be changed to only affect islands, not dungeons/LFR as well.
10/29/2018 05:19 AMPosted by NionielAnd they cant force you to die if youre l33tmlgprosairhorndoritossikknoscopes pro. Or a blood dk.
Are you insinuating that Blood Dks can't 360 no scope? Because we can. We just generally don't because MM hunters feel bad enough about themselves right now.
10/29/2018 05:25 AMPosted by ThamedricWith my family and work commitments I have about 45 minutes to play any given week day. Losing 30 minutes because 2 people want to get a chuckle, not ok in my opinion. Unless that is intended, then I'll take my sub else where. Even if they just keep getting themselves killed over and over, i can pretty much solo a normal island and still beat the npc's. 365 prot paly is pretty much invincible in normal.
intented or not, there's nothing you can do about it.. it's turning pretty common to find a duo premade and if you don't follow their rules you're in high risk of being verbaly abused and kicked before the island finishes..
again see the people you get if they are a duo premade stick with them or leave because they know for sure they can get you out anytime they want..
or you could put a group where you're saying you're targeting rares for more chances at loot if you find someone else with the same goal then you can't get kicked.
10/29/2018 05:33 AMPosted by MaizouIf they remove vote to kick, what's to stop me from joining and just afking?
The deserter debuff from islands is silly, but it's necessary unfortunately.
That said, it really should be changed to only affect islands, not dungeons/LFR as well.
They could keep the vote option but remove deserter from island. Sure you could still afk. But you'd be afk in town all the time.
They could also have the debuff kick in if you've been booted like 5 times in 30 minutes. Or some number in a time frame that a normal person wouldn't likely hit without some repeated behavior causing it. That would punish trolls and afkers while not affecting the average person who's actively participating.
I think people are getting touchy in islands because of bots amd afk'ers. My friend and I had two last week. They run around kind of unpredictably and if you watch them you realize it's not a person playing even if they are doing some damage and it's irritating carrying a bot.
That being said, the 30 minute deserter thing is really silly. If you aren't a group's cup of tea, just sending you off on your merry way to requeue seems good enough. I'm sure even the bots could find themselves a nice little bot team that way.
That being said, the 30 minute deserter thing is really silly. If you aren't a group's cup of tea, just sending you off on your merry way to requeue seems good enough. I'm sure even the bots could find themselves a nice little bot team that way.
Yeah, this is what needs to be done.10/29/2018 05:51 AMPosted by Ridicruel10/29/2018 05:33 AMPosted by MaizouIf they remove vote to kick, what's to stop me from joining and just afking?
The deserter debuff from islands is silly, but it's necessary unfortunately.
That said, it really should be changed to only affect islands, not dungeons/LFR as well.
They could keep the vote option but remove deserter from island. Sure you could still afk. But you'd be afk in town all the time.
The vtk system is definitely a two edged sword. You know that wise crack "don't hate the player...hate the game"?
Vtk is the reverse ...hate the players not the game. The system itself isn't the issue its the abuse of the system that is.
I really dont understand the lemmings mentality players have with it. One person says kick this dude everyone else just goes "um ok i do dat now den" like brainless buffoons.
Especially in an IE ...they are what 10 maybe 15 minutes long?
I rarely vote to kick someone. The times i did it was pretty obvious as the person was just over the top horrible..not necessarily just in terms of game skill...i mean a horrible miserable person.
Side story...once there was a tank in a dungeon who wanted to kick everyone..he just kept complaining...my dps was bad...the healer sucked....the other dps he hollered at for not knowing the fights.
So we kicked him..the tank..
You guys kicked the tank?!......YES. WE. DID. And it was glorious.
We got another tank in the next few minutes finished the run. Everyone parted with "thanks" on good terms.
Vtk is the reverse ...hate the players not the game. The system itself isn't the issue its the abuse of the system that is.
I really dont understand the lemmings mentality players have with it. One person says kick this dude everyone else just goes "um ok i do dat now den" like brainless buffoons.
Especially in an IE ...they are what 10 maybe 15 minutes long?
I rarely vote to kick someone. The times i did it was pretty obvious as the person was just over the top horrible..not necessarily just in terms of game skill...i mean a horrible miserable person.
Side story...once there was a tank in a dungeon who wanted to kick everyone..he just kept complaining...my dps was bad...the healer sucked....the other dps he hollered at for not knowing the fights.
So we kicked him..the tank..
You guys kicked the tank?!......YES. WE. DID. And it was glorious.
We got another tank in the next few minutes finished the run. Everyone parted with "thanks" on good terms.
10/29/2018 05:11 AMPosted by ThamedricSo i was just working on my weekly islands and working on making sure to target rare mobs and such to try to maximize odds of a drop. Mind you I was also doing my 1 normal one of the week to minimize my total number of runs for the week.
On to the story...
I look down in my chat and realize one of my fellow group members is griefing me for not pulling everything quote "ur pulls r sh!t". I responded with 'my sh!ts given is zero'. 30 seconds later I see you have been removed from group and I have a 30 minute deserter debuff...
Seriously? I get if the group wanted to kick me whatever, but to get the 30 minute desserter debuff on top of it? What it to stop people now from just randomly kicking any under performing member of their group, and for them to get punished like that? Looking at my damage meters I was doing 3x everyone else was in my group and I got kicked.
Just feels wrong and a great way to encourage trolls and bullies.
I have a problem with your story - usually you aren't close enough to the others that that damage meter registers correctly when you are just attacking the rares. If you were close enough and just attacking the rare and running off instead of helping the rest of the group with all the mobs that were pulled, I would kick you as well.
People working as a team don't get kicked.
10/29/2018 06:30 AMPosted by OrctangYeah, this is what needs to be done.10/29/2018 05:51 AMPosted by Ridicruel...
They could keep the vote option but remove deserter from island. Sure you could still afk. But you'd be afk in town all the time.
Would cause other problems then - I am sure I am not the only one who inspects people during the wait for those to start. Remove that deserter buff and I am gone as soon as I see a healer or undergeared 120. Some people seriously would never get to complete these because no one would stay to help.
10/29/2018 07:14 AMPosted by Amine10/29/2018 05:11 AMPosted by ThamedricSo i was just working on my weekly islands and working on making sure to target rare mobs and such to try to maximize odds of a drop. Mind you I was also doing my 1 normal one of the week to minimize my total number of runs for the week.
On to the story...
I look down in my chat and realize one of my fellow group members is griefing me for not pulling everything quote "ur pulls r sh!t". I responded with 'my sh!ts given is zero'. 30 seconds later I see you have been removed from group and I have a 30 minute deserter debuff...
Seriously? I get if the group wanted to kick me whatever, but to get the 30 minute desserter debuff on top of it? What it to stop people now from just randomly kicking any under performing member of their group, and for them to get punished like that? Looking at my damage meters I was doing 3x everyone else was in my group and I got kicked.
Just feels wrong and a great way to encourage trolls and bullies.
I have a problem with your story - usually you aren't close enough to the others that that damage meter registers correctly when you are just attacking the rares. If you were close enough and just attacking the rare and running off instead of helping the rest of the group with all the mobs that were pulled, I would kick you as well.
People working as a team don't get kicked.
Regardless of if my meters were accurate, i was doing something and killing all the mobs in my train because they all die before the rares, have to love prot paladins lack of single target focus.
I have issue with vtk giving me a 30 minute desserter debuff. I really don't care that they kicked me that's their choice and whatever. The fact that it can be so easily abused in islands where you only have 3 people in the group and the consequences are so severe is the problem i want to bring up to bliz. In that 30 minutes i could have finished 2 to 3 islands, instead i was forced to log for the day and probably won't finish my islands for the week.
guess your comment back wasn't true. looks like you care now.
I am not saying its okay this happened. I complained about this debuff earlier than bfa, the system can be abused. But I personally have only had it happen a couple of times.
Sometimes its better not to even engage people like that.
I am not saying its okay this happened. I complained about this debuff earlier than bfa, the system can be abused. But I personally have only had it happen a couple of times.
Sometimes its better not to even engage people like that.
You have to look at it from another perspective too.. If they removed the vtk people would still troll and bully... They'd just do it in other ways... Like force you to die over and over, afk, or just mock you the entirety of the instance until you leave. I'd rather just be kicked.
-- The deserter debuff is working as intended, it is keeping you from getting in that same group, its giving you time to calm down, and it is also a blind judge.. It doesn't know the difference between you being bad or the group trolling you.
why is it twice as long as the dungeon then?
I got kicked before it started. As soon as I loaded in actually. I logged off and got on another toon. Wasnt a big deal