There is absolutely -nothing- in lore which specifically states that worgen cannot have a tail.
I am very much pro-tail, always have been. I’d love lore but I would be just fine if Blizzard gave us the option without it. This is something I have wanted for over 10 years. I’ll take what I can get at this rate.
Another slap in the face. It has the same care that we see in BfA in everything that Blizzard tried to do for the alliance and was far from desired.
Heritage Armor also doesn’t deserve respect.
It’s a butler outfit. Not the uniform of a member of an elite force.
I wanted our heritage “armor” to be an animation modifier that allowed us to fight with our claws and teeth instead of weapons. But they slapped us with Gilnean heritage instead of worgen heritage. It made sense, but I still want to be a very bitey girl.
Right tho. There’s the Gilnean gear the Gilneas Liberation front uses, or the brown trenchcoat Genn got, which they proved the could do with the Kul Tiran armor. But we just get a pimp tux.
After that, I went ahead and started building my own “worgen” heritage armor set for the guild. The leather set the worgen attacking Gilneas wear, with the addition of a wolf mask for human form, clean and bloody bandages, and claw weapons. The pimp tux might be alright if I ever need to go to a circus funeral, but other than that…
they should just make it so you can transmog fist weapons/one handed weapons to be invisable like in other games, i love fighting bare handed in ff14, i made a character that looks just like tifa did in advent children and made her fight with just cosmetic black gloves on she looks so badass and sexy but wouldnt look nearly as good if i couldnt hide the fist weapons
I gave Blizzard the benefit of the doubt because maybe they didn’t have the tech to properly animate tails, but Vulpera threw that excuse out the window.
So yeah, give worgen tails as Blizzard’s own official artist, Wei Wang, actually conceptualized them with them tails a year before the female worgens were even added to the Cataclysm beta.
Actually, I find Raedolf’s honesty and civility to be refreshing, especially compared to the shrill and hateful bloviations we otherwise see. He’s willing to discuss and debate, and that’s something to be supported…not castigated.
I do agree it is nice to be able to talk even if we don’t agree on points and not have someone attack us just saying we are trying to be furrys or attack us cause we don’t agree. Instead we can have a discussion back and forth on the points we have and are civil about it.
I’m not a fan of the alpha eyes, but wouldn’t mind if they were an option for those who like them.
Now about tails, I think something like Pandaren already have would be pretty nice. Some fur colors on Pandaren have a stubby tail (black/grey) and some others have a long redpanda-like tail (orange).
Having one of the customization options be “Tail: YES/NO” wouldn’t make anyone turn into something they don’t want, wouldn’t hurt those who want their worgen untouched, and would make a lot of people happy, because I think it’s weird to look at a tailless beast race. Making tails suddenly appear on every worgen that has ever been in the game would be a bad thing though, that’s why I vote for optional.
Since we already have spine surgeons working on those barber shops to make orcs enter hunchbacked and leave proud and straight, why not letting them be able to pin tails on worgen? LOL
And most likely, that’s why it wasn’t added during Alpha and Beta.
Let’s remember that Cataclysm was an expansion made with missing parts. Worgen should have been something much better, as we saw during Alpha (I’m still sorry that the female model’s hairstyles have never seen the light of day) but it ended up much worse when it was released and stayed that way for years, until Blizzard found time to do it something that was aesthetically less repulsive and closer to the majestic and ferocious idealization of worgen as a race fantasy for Warcraft.
I would like to have that aesthetic option. If we are going to have “blood elves with rainbow colors” because yes, although nothing in the lore supports this sudden appearance of melanin, then they could do something also optional for other races, including worgen.
They could include a change in posture.
If orcs did, worgen could also receive this correction.
While he has been very civil, yes, which is refreshing to see given how people turn to furry hate memery whenever something comes up regarding any thread involving an anthropomorphic race, but there are quite a few issues here which may have made me come off as an arrogant b.
His constant go-to is lore. - Everything is about lore. I have thrown things about lore his way in which it had been broken but since it wasn’t to pertaining to worgen specifically, it’s not acknowledged. It has also been said numerous times that lore has been bent to better suit things.
Borderline Hypocritical - He has flat out stated that when it comes to RP he would/will refuse to acknowledge a player if they RP’ed having a tail or the person’s idea of having a tail in itself. As someone from Moon Guard myself, I have seen a CRAP ton of people with absolutely ridiculous profiles and characters which are far -far- bigger offenses than just a freaken tail. That stance projects elitism.
While there is nothing in lore that states specifically a worgen cannot have a tail, there are TONS of literature that depicts a high/blood elf with fair skin. Dark skinned elves are lore breaking. It doesn’t matter how you spin it. Eveer since Warcraft was created, Blizzard’s literature has written these elves as fair skinned. Now all the sudden they can have a tan? Nope. If we want to argue genetics, as I stated earlier. If an elf can all the sudden have darker skin tones, what is stopping the curse from evolving which results some worgen sprouting a tail?
He’s claimed that if Blizzard explained the tail via lore, he’d be acceptable to it, however, dark skinned elves are being given to us out of the blue with no context. So if he is willing to acknowledge one type of role player and not the other… it’s absolutely hypocritical.
What ticked me off was him trying to twist my argument in the context of it being about real life racism. There was NO call for that. This is specifically a comparison I made between two established races in the Warcraft’s universe and their lore behind them. That to me is someone stooping low to try to make me look bad.
Again, my opinion on dark skinned elves is that sure, I don’t exactly favor the fact it is lore breaking in its current form, however, I am absolutely about player inclusiveness and having more options for character customization.
He can debate with lore all he wants but when you go over OTHER points about lore and inconsistencies… it’s tiresome. Especially when someone else in the thread had debunked other scenarios he’s tried coming up with. I am not trying to be rude in the least but after seeing his arguments and him still trying to justify through lore… yeeeah. I am just going to agree to disagree at this point.
Those in favor in this thread are huge in numbers compared to those oppose, that alone says something.