its not but it does directly connect to making human/worgen seperatly sutomisable, which is a point you yourself braught up after.
I was seeing it more like the forsaken bones effect, where specif area’s would be torn off and missing sections of the transmog to give it an effect, a toggle option for torn clothes or not which gives people who want it the option while people who don’t can avoid it.
I guess you’re right that would be more of a transmog option than a customisation option, still its something I would kill for.
See those look amazing, claws and fangs (like nightelf teeth) would also look fantastic for the human form too.
I wouldn’t really say debunked atall most of it still stands except the unarmed attacks, though claw options would also be a pretty solid new option too.
Anyway the harm in it more comes from attracting a certain unsavory croud, most of which jumped ship to Vulpera, that will taint worgen and make them further looked down on in general, I don’t really want to see worgen become the most hated race that rivals Vulpera.
All that said, you actually seem like you’re a pretty solid person and I apreciate the civil replies, so if Worgen do eventually get tails, I’m certinly not going to lose any sleep over it and I’ll be happy for you atleast, even if my opinion that I’d prefer they didn’t get tails does not change.
The issue is that it’s exhausting to deal with constant, cyclical arguments in this thread. ‘Furry panic’ as I call it.
I risk oversimplifying your argument, but from what I’ve observed all you’re tossing in the thread is ‘well Blizzard didn’t so welp’. That’s not really helpful or useful to the thread, because the entire purpose of the thread is for Blizzard to change their course on it. Will they? Who knows.
We can only post and hope that Blizzard will see things our way and…
you calmly told me that my argument was weak, and didn’t call me a furry hater or flip me off
i salute you
really i don’t care either way, I just hate the way these threads are run, too nice and too echoey for my tastes, i just thought up of a random argument to shake the beehive and see what people would say
I’m confused why they think me being a furry has anything to do with me agreeing worgen would look better with tails and there is no valid reason not to give them an option.
Then again they’re so wrapped up into their own personal disliked of “furries” all they can hear is their own rhetoric and seeming to think, ‘Well this is what I think and I’m right because I said so’, even with presented with massive evidence to the contrary.
At this point I’m beyond done dealing with them and they can both go take their childish attitudes and shove them in the same place as they got their head crammed. That’s all I’m going to say on the matter as far as things stand right now.
Actually I would love customisation options to make this guy less pretty, I want battle scars, a fuller beard, I want him to look like the 300 year old war veteran he’s suposed to be.
Using void elves as an example isn’t a good idea, since its widely reguarded that void elves were poorly implimented and there was a lot of backlash to having them added as such an @sspull race.
You have Pandaren and vulpera for that. Let worgen be the besital monster option, the dark side of the alliance they so badly need. instead of trying to force them into the same flufffy-tail-uwu boat.
It negitavly impacts the reputation of the race by drawing in the obnoxious uwu croud, even if they arn’t the only ones who want the tails theres no denying that it will happen. thats very harmful.
Some people may disagree with the aesthetic choice. Which is why we’ve all been arguing for optional tails. I have no problem with folk that take issue with the aesthetics, because such an umbrage is as easily resolved as ‘don’t do it’. It’s nothing more than a race-based transmog. Don’t like it? Don’t do it. Easy. Generally if you’re posting in this thread you’re probably in favor of it, like I imagine we both are.
It’s incredibly unfair how far we have to go to justify our selection and desires for character customization, but that’s just our lot. Keep on keepin’ on.
Yeah, I get you. I do. What you’re wanting is more for game play aesthetics rather than appearance aesthetics save for the savage faces, ears, scars bit. I seriously would love to play my worgen rogue with the ability to use her claws to rip people apart. I am definitely with you there! Your concept on the ripped clothing like the undead decay is actually kind of cool now that you’ve explained it to me. Very unique too, I approve of that! Though I think it’d be harder to implement on mail and plate wearing classes.
Either way, any discussion pertaining to any anthro race will have the stigma sadly, just how the culture is these days. But hey… Even if we did get all these things, I don’t think a tail would exactly take away from the look. Lots of werewolf art that have tails Though I understand some people don’t want them, that is why I simple stress for an option. They don’t need to spend hours making different sizes and fluff factors, I’d just be content with a simplistic tail.
Sorry if I have come off as entitled or snitty. Dealing with a kidney stone atm >.< REE!
Ooof I’ve had that before and it suuuuuuuucks. X_X
As far as ripped clothing, I think you highlighted my issue with it. Also it would ruin some of the good cloth transmogs as well. The other issue with the whole rip and tear thing. While cool in concept, it’s not terribly practical with how WoW has designed combat animations. Also I wouldn’t want to give up some of the rather nice looking weapon mogs.
Also the fact that idea doesn’t work at all for hunters and other ranged combat animations.
And I want tails on my Worgen. Glad to see we both see gaps that need filling.
Every new piece of lore is a reach until it’s not. There’re dozens of ways to justify it that wouldn’t even feel strange.
Sect of Lo’gosh.
Alchemical Potions
Embracing and further practicing Shapeshifting
Lore changes because lore grows. This would simply be the Worgen lore growing.
A tail doesn’t remove any of their ferocity. A tail doesn’t make them any less bestial (in fact, such a non-human appendage would logically make them more bestial, no?). A tail doesn’t make their claws less sharp, or their teeth any duller. Most important of all, a tail wouldn’t be a requirement.
No matter how ‘edgy’ a race or class is, you’ll get people that play it their own way. Some people play Forsaken as upstanding and immortal guardians dealing with the fact that they’ll physically turn to dust before they can leave this plane of existence. Others play Human (NOT Forsaken) Paladins that gorge on the remains of sapient creatures. RP is going to be freeform no matter what. I won’t impose my UwU on you, don’t impose your edginess on me.
Tails an as option will draw more than just the UwU crowd. It’ll draw people that thought Worgen looked strange without the tail. It’ll draw people that wanted Running Wild to look better. It’ll draw people that want to try out new customizations.
If it draws more furries, then who cares? It’s a wolf race and the only bestial option on Alliance. It would just make the furries feel less crappy about playing a character they may feel is missing a critical appendage.
This, this right here is what I’ve been trying to get across the entire time along with there being no real reason not to give them tails. Then again I think you’ve said this before or at least a variation of it there Ling.
You’ve literally been singing that tune for hours now.
I guess you are right. it -could- be done well without detracting from the feeling of the race, but as the game and the race currently stands, I jsut feel it would draw in the wrong croud and seriously harm the race’s reputation within the wow community. And again, why my opinion hasn’t changed, I still stand by my decicion that tails would be bad, but a part of me almost hops they do get them just so you get something you want, because that seems sort of fair in a way.
Honestly you have nothing to appologise for, as I’ve said you’ve probably be the single most solid and grounded person replying to me in the thread and you get my respect for that.
Also kidney stones must suck, I hope that gets resolved quickly >.<
Blizz would probs have to make different animations for all the melee spells. Currently there’s about two actual animations that the Worgen skeleton can do with some in turns of attacking with abilities. If they adjusted the hands for everything to make it look like the model is happened handed with claws out, that would seem a bit wonky looking to me.
Don’t fear the crowds and the reputations. Being honest with you, it got like that with me and Vulpera at first. When I saw role play profiles of vulpera with main characters like Guwu-dan and Sawwy Whitemane, High Inqwuistor of the Scarwet Cwusade, I lost my sh-. It deterred me from Vulperas and I absolutely thought they were adorable and wanted it. -And I identify as a furry-
I know you don’t want worgen to have their savagery tarnished, that’s why you’re resistant, I feel. You feel that the loud and proud furries will do the same to worgen as they did for me for vulpera.
Though when it really came down to it, worgen already have that stigma. Sure tails may add a draw, though there are those who want tails, furry and non-furry alike. Just focus on what you want really. When you stop worrying about others and what they do and focus on what you do, especially in RP areas, you find yourself to be much happier and in control. If you don’t want to be around those people, you don’t have to be! That’s what is so good about the game. Trust me, I know it gets hard in the rp community to ignore certain behaviors and rp’s, and I also get that sentiment that you shouldn’t have to change because someone else is being silly or annoying. I’ve been a part of the rp community on MG for a looong time. Just worry about what brings you happiness. Don’t fear stuff that may not even happen. If it does, will it truly effect you if you stay to yourself? Deep questions I know but I can understand why you feel the way you do.
After all that, I did eventually roll my Vulpera on WRA and love her! Though I don’t have many people to rp with these days and have been playing other games as of late.
IN the TLDR - Don’t worry about others, you can still portray a savage worgen despite others portraying them in a different light! Nothing can take that power away from you. As far as RP concerns, you make it out to what you want it to be, no one else!
If that’s the actual reason for all his earlier nonsense, perhaps understandable, but it was presented in a very poor fashion.
I come back to, you do your thing, they do theirs and everyone’s happy. As you said, if he’s worried about the ones that tend to be a bit strange about it. He’s way late for that bus, and really that applies to any fandom.
Tails aren’t gonna make that any worse.
If people don’t like that sort of thing with the ones acting cute, then just don’t interact with them. It’s that simple. You don’t want them imposing their seeming strangeness on you, don’t sit there trying to judge and impose your style on them either. That road goes both ways. If it’s not your thing, just say so and move on.
Him hating an entire group because of the actions of some is kinda…yeah. Not cool.
Yeah, it’s sadly the stigma these days. It also doesn’t help that there is a huge controversy right now on Twitch with a certain person who also claims they are a furry too and people literally are going insane about it.
Most of the hate people get when furry topics come up generally comes from the general assumptions that are grossly false. Sometimes it takes patience and an attempt to educate to reach an understanding, which seems we are making here!
I know the furry fandom can be a bit… much at times, even for me. Though this was never about anything related to furries. Just simply an aesthetic option for a race we love! It’s very easy for people to misconstrue it as a furry agenda and unfortunate that brings the hate along with it. Just need to be vigilant and try to reach out sometimes.
I only get really frustrated if someone won’t take what facts I bring and not answer my questions when I am trying to make sense of their arguments. Which I have with a couple people on this thread I admit.
This just simply boils down to people who are a fan of the worgen race requesting a tail option for Shadowlands. Furry, non furry, any diversity, any minority, etc etc. Should Blizz grant this request, it is what they make of it on their own accord.
The unfortunate thing is. If he would’ve just came out and said that a bit more straight away. I would’ve been a lot more understanding than trying to pick through the walls of “reasons” he was trying to throw up.
I would’ve been a lot more understanding in that case and all I would’ve said, okay, that’s why it’s being asked as an option and that would’ve been it.
That whole messy argument wouldn’t have even been a thing.
That said did get a whole lot of nice art to look at too so at least some good came of it. Still thinking on switching my warrior here to worgen because of that concept art.
Though I understand some people don’t want them, that is why I simple stress for an option. They don’t need to spend hours making different sizes and fluff factors, I’d just be content with a simplistic tail.
