It is absolutely criminal we never got to see the original AV in all its glory for even 1 phase of classic vanilla. It is some of the most epic pvp in all of WoW history. There is tons of lost subs who were ready to rejoin WoW for classic just for original AV and never did after your announcement we would get that horrid final patch version.
Give us the true AV in all its glory.
The original av is awful.
Then you can play retail, WOTLK classic, or era where you can play your beloved final patch version. Most people love the original AV and never got to re-experience it.
Most people? Where did you get this information from?
The old av is just a metric ton more NPCs that have a bunch of hp and land mines and archers that 1 shot you. It isn’t “epic” pvp
If by awful, you mean awesome then you are correct. Its a player thing though, they figured out how to make av zoom.
More npcs with higher hp is awesome? Cause that’s all it is.
The map was much larger, and more bosses. Fighting for those towers was much harder and had much more actual PvP instead of zug zug north. Gaining control of the mines mattered, etc.
People have been touting old AV since pre-classic and blizzard was rightfully bashed for excluding it from classic. Tons of players wanted classic only for old AV, nobody wanted the garbage final patch version.
I miss the summoning of ice monsters and druids. It will not happen though the bg did not change much, you’re right. The players did though. Even i can figure things out if i have 20 years to do it.
It will happen because it’s actually an advantage to do it. People zug zug north in final patch AV because it’s the easy thing to do. It’s human nature to take the path of least resistance, and the zug strat was cultivated by the changes made in the final version of AV.
People remember old AV In original because of game IDs that would last for longer than 24 hours. Back then we didn’t know how to play the game, so the games lasted days because all we would do is Zerg snowfall or mid and die then rez and repeat. It was just a moshpit of fighting raidboss hp NPCs and guards and people just aoeing. Nobody ever went anywhere else cause of land mines and archers.
People would still rush the bg even if old av was in.
100% agree that’s why the games lasted days, old AV would be shorter today with people actually fighting for objectives. It would still be an epic hours long game, and have the feeling of being in a full fledged war zone.
Which was epic fun, and the pvp mixed in made it chaotic and unpredictable. It was an absolute blast of a time beloved by the community.
Rushing doesn’t work in old AV because vann will 1 shot the raid without doing the other objectives.
At the start of classic av could last a hour or 2 bit nothing like vanilla. Its just not going to last long enough to summon now. Play ab or wsg for good pvp.
The thing is players aren’t gonna “engage in pvp”. Alliance will have their Zerg and horde will have theirs, and they will run right last eAchother, mines will be avoided, and you’d have a 5 man squad for each tower to cap before going north or south to finish the boss. Most people playing av will be ranking and like classic they will avoid the pvp and finish as fast as possible cause it is inefficient for them to do otherwise
Literally the entire strat you just gave me does not work in old AV. You cannot rush, if you even make it to the base without doing any other objectives Vann will 1 shot you. Old AV is great because it actually REQUIRES you to do all the objectives to win. The version of AV we got is what cultivated the zug zug strat.
For one I highly doubt we will get ranking in its original form again. Second, no, serious rankers are spamming warsong gulch premades outside of MAYBE AV weekend.
You can rush, you can rush and still do the objectives. AV premades in voice do it now. They’ll still get towers and lieutenants for the honor before going vann/drek. PvP will be completely avoided
No because people will be defending the towers as it’s a necessary condition in old AV, hence the pvp? Losing towers and mines is a big deal in the old AV, and they are harder to get with the NPCs, and gaining them is necessary for the final push. Every issue you are pointing out is a direct consequences of the changes made to AV in the final version. These were all issues the popped up specifically in the end of original vanilla when all these garbage changes were made to AV to perverted the incentives of the bg.
They arent gonna defend the towers. They are gonna burn the enemy 4 and go to the boss.
Hard pass. Todays AV is already longer than it needs to be.
They really dropped the ball with this in Classic. It was one of the first and also worst changes they made.
It’s funny everybody who’s against this is a Wrath baby. When P3 dropped people were legit complaining about the weak version of AV being implemented. I even seen people say they were trying to “retailize” Classic by using nerfed AV.
Now look at these responses. Lmao.
Can’t wait til Wrath ends so we can go back to true classic and hopefully get a more authentic experience this time