We do dps. We CC.
Nobody wants CC, so that just leaves DPS.
The pures have zero responsibility, and it’s boring. I want to be able to do more for my raid, and I can’t because everything I can do has been systematically designed out of the game.
Fix it. Give me more responsibility.
They just need to convert the rest of the pure DPS into hybrid DPS. As someone who played a rogue from launch until half way thru Legion, I understand your point but in the end a hybrid DPS should be on par with a pure DPS otherwise there would be no point in bringing them over a pure.
Just come up with a new spec for each (there are what, 3 left these days) and end the problem once and for all.
If that takes the pressure off with some of the mechanics then sure I am down.
I’m on the opposite side because hybrids being on par with pure DPS and having the flexibility to fill multiple roles isn’t balanced. Sure, give everyone access to the hybrid model or don’t let anyone have it and then everyone can be in the same circle.
But that’s just me.
Expect they are not filling those other roles. For example take a 5 man instances, exactly how many tanks do you think you need? After that one, the fact someone DPS in the group can tank is irrelevant because you don’t need them to tank. So if hybrid DPS were inferior to pure, no one would bring them to anything as they would only serve to hinder the run.
But our druid can switch from ranged DPS to melee to tank if we have a healer for whatever activity we are doing.
We have a druid who tanks and heals and DPSs for our raid team. Sadly, I cannot do any of that. I can’t use spec switching to my advantage when it comes to M+ either.
It’s a long debate thats been around for years that I don’t want to get into since it really isn’t on topic. I just wanted to leave my comment since it was brought up.
There’s no such thing as “Pure DPS”… but let’s play your little game.
What other dps can give AI or food besides mages?
What other dps can give lock rocks and summon besides warlocks?
What other dps can mass stealth besides rogues? Besides the fact that they have a ton of responsibility like interrupting, soaking with cloak, etc.
Feel free to do more more than 1 of Heroic to understand that you have more responsibilities than just dps’ing…
And they can only fill a single role at one time. For example, DHs I can tank or DPS. Now the raid has two tanks, so no need for that role. You are looking for DPS to fill up. Do you pick the DPS with higher DPS or those with lower? Be honest, we both know the answer.
It use to be the hybrid did less damage but they also brought raid wide buffs or extras that ensure they would have a spot. They have since removed almost all of that and leveled out the DPS to generally be on par.
Trust me I remember having your side of the debate when i was a rogue 
Wait…when did this happen?
I am an elemental shaman. I am in the raid to DPS. We have healers. I am not there to heal. I only fill 1 role. DPS. If my dps is lowered for the “hybrid tax”, there is no reason for me to be in the raid.
Why do you want me to be kicked from raids?
You don’t swap roles in the middle of content for the most part. If someone queues up as dps despite having the ability to use tank and heal spcs, they’re DPSing. Even if they do for some reason end up swapping roles later on [in, say, a raid where a fight needs another healer or a tank bailed], they are then filling only that role at that time. They’re no longer DPS, they’re Tank, or Heals.
For hybrids to be unbalanced, they’d need to be doing equal DPS to pure DPS while also being able to actively fill the other roles in the middle of combat without changing specs or talents, and they cannot do that. At worst, you have hybrids that can throw out 4 or 5 small heals at the cost of their DPS before they OoM, and still end up healing less than some random non-hybrid’s passive healing.
Also, I main an Enhancement Shaman. What’s my responsibility? I don’t have an external. Nor does Elemental. Or basically any DPS.
After MoP, Blizzard purged DPS being able to meaningfully contribute to raid survival. Mostly. Warrior’s still have their Cry I guess, and now DHs have Darkness.
Everyone is ignoring the point about flexibility where I brought up a prime example in which hybrids have the advantage now since they now essentially have no “hybrid tax”. I’m saying separate them out or give everyone the same flexibility.
I don’t want anyone to be kicked from anything. I just want it to be balanced across the board in choices. Either no class be able to fill more than one role or all classes be able to fill more than one role so that everyone has options.
If I do less dps for no reason other than being a shaman, then I will be kicked from raids.
Why bring a class that 99% of the time is literally a liability? Do you know how many times I have fulfilled the healing role? Zero.
So now my dps is being lowered for something I never do.
Why will a raid take someone that brings less dps on the off chance at some point they might maybe, but probably won’t. Heal. once or twice. On a night their other healers are sick or out?
They won’t. They will bring the classes that will help them succeed on a regular basis. If you are a hybrid, you will only be a tank or healer. All dps will be pure dps only, because there is no incentive to bring a hybrid dps if they do less dps due to a hybrid tax.
And Pures have the “flexibility” of being able to swap between multiple specs of the same role to perform the best that they can possibly perform. If a hybrid’s DPS spec is low, there’s nothing they can do about it.
I already said I don’t want your DPS nerfed. I don’t care if you stick to one spec or you try healing and DPS. I am saying give all classes the same options with roles or separate them out by role that way everyone is on the same page.
So you want to remove specs from pure dps?
Which mage spec gets removed?
Which hunter spec gets removed?
Which rogue specs gets removed?
Thats not going to make people happy.
external is bloodlust m8…
Or add a heal option to all casters and a tank option to the others. It’s not ideal from a story perspective, but it’s better than having no tanks on M+ night and 6 DPS who want to get their 10 done.
So casters get 3 dps roles (meaning one is almost always promised to be top notch AND an option to change roles?
Well now as a shaman with only 2 dps roles, with my healing role, I feel like I am at a disadvantage.
You either need to had 4 total specs to all classes, or remove one dps spec from pure roles and replace it with a non dps role.
I don’t personally feel we need to throw out another what…13+ more specs. So to me…the only option is replacing a current dps spec with a nondps role spec.
I had assumed OP wanted something a bit more “in the moment” rather than “hey pop lust on the pull” (or like 30% depending on the fight).
If lust counts as an external, then so does Shroud, Time Warp, Hunter Lust, and since Lust is generally braindead, Warlock Gates.
I miss having hand of sacrifice as a ret paladin
I don’t see them removing specs, but they did turn survival into a melee spec so…
I guess toss a 4th spec out there for everything besides druid.
Like I said, this debate has been picked over for a long time. This is just where I stand on it.