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It rewards people who are AFK extremely high, often more than those actively playing the game.
Warsong Gulch is totally dead with in it’s current state.
You can’t play with friends
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because it’s supposed to reflect the classic WoW experience and this version more closely resembles the BfA experience.
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It doesn’t need to change, it is what it is. That doesn’t make a good BG though.
If I could change one small thing (rather than just saying bring back old AV), it would be making the warmasters / towers provide buffs to the commanders as they have for the past decade of retail----I think that was a good change, that gave the BG a lot of depth—even as a “PVE race,” it forced some PVP objectives. These PVP objectives were ones that, in a 80-man BG, one or two players could use to turn the tide of the entire race.
That’s the magic of AV for me. I know we won’t get “old AV” and I don’t want or need reinforcements, but this one change that came after Vanilla is all the difference. It allowed the BG to become progressive—where early raid tier gear couldn’t brute force without burning towers, but by the last raid tier you could, so the meta constantly evolved, and only the best and most coordinated groups could bypass it early by burning no towers
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this is the av i remember alliance rush to the boss and then horde start to turtle.
And then you QQ and /afk like a beta.
go back to school kid and learn something.
Still ignoring the fact that it’s impossible for me to be a kid based on played time in MMOs while you act and speak like a zoomer child… derpa derp derp
Out of the 400,000 honor I’ve farmed this week I don’t think I have went further then the field of strife to afk.
All they need to do is make it so you can’t pull single warmasters, make them all pull together and link them to drek. Drek runs back so do the warmasters, easy fix.
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Doesn’t need to be changed. It will slowly fix itself.
AV has always been insane honor (especially on honor weekends) but is only better than WSG because AV has been instant pop for alliance which was unheard of in Vanilla.
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It is, my avarage game today was 20 min.
Avs are much better now, while it’s still a zerg the alliance has alot more objective focus and horde are always defending so you will be fighting. The alliance has a high win rate, but it’s like 70%, not 95% now.
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It allows bots & account traders to reach rank 14. It also allows you to avoid all PvP & rank up.
Before AV became the best honor (at the very tail end of vanilla) that was not possible.
Anyone with a brain should agree that the highest PvP ranks should go to actual people that participate in actual PvP.
But it was because of strategies, not the patch. We are in honor farm mode now, which means killing all LTs and burning all towers. We can do exactly what we are doing now in a 1.5 AV.
It should, but that has never been the case in vanilla/classic/pservers. Before AV farming was a thing, it was premade dodging. Premade dodging is still a thing btw, that is why you are seeing a lot of 8-9 man premades.
No you could not. You clearly never played 1.5 AV. The bosses would oneshot tanks if you tried to zerg them before capping towers/bunkers & you couldn’t leash Commanders to kill Marshalls outside individually.
It was ALWAYS the case pre-1.12. You are clearly not speaking from experience. I am, as I finished my r14 grind in 1.11. We had account-sharers and AFKers on our realm and they never got above rank 11 because they couldn’t get into premades meaning they lost too often in PUGs to compete.
Premade dodging was not an option for both factions until xrealm queues … which again didn’t exist until 1.12. Regardless, premade dodging has nothing to do with my post which was about bots & account-sharing & AFKers doing nothing but PvE. You’re intentionally changing the subject.
We are past the rep grinding phase. We burn all towers for max honor. Also, Warmasters buffing one another was a TBC thing, not vanilla. The only thing burning towers did was remove their respective Warmaster. We are currently doing all objectives, mostly in order. We kill galv and his officers, then the ones in the towers and at IB, while capping to burn both towers. A few stay to prevent backcaps and the bulk of the raid moves on to take the final towers/GYs. All towers have been burnt by the time we kill drek. The only thing 1.5 AV would do is slightly increase the time to kill the elites. In 2005 we played hardcore defense. In 2019 we do not.
Edit: We also have a far better understanding of our classes, better understanding of how to properly gear, and just better gear. Far more people are raiding MC than did during retail vanilla.
Not sure what you are on about. If you made it to rank 14 it was because you were in the GM premade and dodged the other factions premades. You didn’t earn rank 14 because of exceptional PvP skill. You made rank 14 because you avoided challenging PvP as much as possible to farm easy honor.
Yeah it was, unless you were on a dead server maybe. We generally had at least 2 WSGs going on weekdays, making it very easy for the alliance and horde premades to avoid one another. Weekends we had more, which just made it easier.
Annnnnd there’s the rub. You’re not here to talk about facts, you’re here to try to make yourself feel better and insult people that got high ranks. Never once did I bring up the subject of rank requiring skill, but you wanted to make that the subject anyways… giving away your true purpose for arguing.
its pretty sad now honor is getting worse i got 106k on av launch day,then steady 50k because of work. but today been playing since 11 am and its 4:30 now…11k honor.
av is getting so bad its just worth it to afk for the bal and bonus honor.
Not insulting, just clarifying that being good at PvP and R14 are not the same thing. Sure, some R14 players were good, but the primary factor is time. And as far as facts go, I can tell by your claims that you obviously don’t know what you are talking about. My guess is you either never got R14 or bought the account…assuming you even played retail vanilla at all.
During retail vanilla, you needed two things to reach R14. Time, and the graces to be allowed in to the GM premade. This clique decided who got R14. The PvP you claim that happens here is primarily geared and coordinated players farming undergeared, uncoordinated pugs that have no chance of winning.
In Classic, it is more or less purely based on time.
This notion that AFKers are going to reach R14 is silly. If they are AFKing, all they are getting is bonus honor and Marks. PvP absolutely happens in AV, I’m probably getting another 500-2000 honor from HKs, depending on how much defense the horde has.
So there you have it, facts. Old way was a clique determining which nolivers got R14. New way, who can nolife the hardest gets R14.