Anyone ever notice it’s always the rudest and worst players advocating for this crap spec to come back? Even if I wanted glad to come back I’d oppose it just because of people that act like this.
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Welp im Derez now, lemme log into my EU account and have some banter with my EU mates.
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I like having the last word.
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Another option would be to allow Arms to equip a sword and shield. I mean, the spec is called “Arms” after all. I doubt that stands for the two appendages at either side of your body and means that we’re a “master of arms”.
Hell, Warrior has long been one of the only classes that can (nearly) equip every weapon in the game…to me it makes more sense for Arms to have the option for Sword and Board or Two-Hand Sword, Mace, Axe, etc.
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Wouldn’t it be simple enough to just add a “stance” for protection warriors called “Vanguard”.
Vanguard stance
-reduces threat generated by 75%
-increases damage to revenge, shield slam and thunderclap and devastate by 15% (or whatever would be prudent)
Isn’t that simple enough?
Except you now have a dps that has tank staying power and that’s a no go for balance.
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As is usually the case, the simple answer is dead wrong.
As a tank spec, Prot has the Vanguard passive which increases Stamina and Armor. They have a whole list of tank defensive cooldowns, like Shield Wall and Last Stand and Demo Shout and Ignore Pain. If they do full damage spec DPS while keeping all of those they’re OP in PvE and insanely OP in PvP. If they don’t do full damage spec DPS, they’ll never get a spot in raids or M+. At the very least you’ve got to prune all those out.
Though once you’ve done that there’s really not a lot of buttons left. You’ve got like four rotation buttons with minimal interaction, which puts even the most limited DPS rotations like Havoc DH to shame. And on top of that half of them are uncapped AoE, which the Devs aren’t going to love for balance reasons once those buttons are doing more damage.
So you’ve got to remove all the tank passives and cooldowns, and you’ve got to alter the offensive rotation to cut down on the rotational AoE… and that that point, you’re basically building a new 4th spec from scratch anyway, so why are you even trying to piggyback it onto Prot? That’s why so many of us are so negative about the idea of Gladiator Stance. It just isn’t compatible with modern tank spec design and there isn’t enough foundation to build a 4th spec out of it.
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From my understanding it was removed in the first place because it was hard to balance correctly without messing up the actual prot spec. If they was to do it they would prolly have to make a entirely new spec. I mean it might happen someday but I don’t believe it’s soon if they do decide to make it happen
It really should be a 4th talent for warriors so that the developers can balance it better. I’d spice it up to by giving it a ranged snare ( barbed nets), some raid utility (a shout that either buffs dps or maybe an aoe ignore pain) and a burst cooldown involving lightening damage. I really wish I played during WoD so I could experience it.
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I did that’s what I mained at the beginning of WOD it was def really fun while it lasted.
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I agree with this 100%
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Man, this thread makes me miss WoD. I get why Gladiator was going to be in a weird spot with the removal of the bonus armor experiment, but I feel like they could have tweaked it fairly easily.
I dug the play style and sword and board aesthetic of gladiator stance back in WoD, but I’d imagine it would be a pain to balance like it was in WoD. Nerf it too much and its a gimp spec, buff it too much and its OP and people cry. I’d rather blizz concentrate on the three specs we got now and improve upon them in shadowlands.
Today on quotes I never thought I’d see.
I’m in the minority, I guess.
I’ve never had an inkling for a sword & board spec like Gladiator was, I guess it was because it felt like a budget spec that wasn’t really all that put together, which was the core issue of it.
If they made a fourth spec that specialized in it, that’d be pretty stellar, but I’m not sure how you can give it a playstyle that doesn’t already exist for Warriors.
What about Gladiator’s playstyle do people miss specifically? Aesthetics are something I get, but I’m more curious about mechanics/playstyle. What I recall of Gladiator is an overly simplistic rotation that would make a DH blush.
I said it a 100 times and will say it again! Glad Stance Warriors were the best Dps spec to ever grace this game. It was everything a warrior should be. Carrying a shield and doing BIG damage!
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As far as I can tell aesthetics are all anyone cares about. Not a single person has cited any part of the rotation and gearing as what they miss, nor responded to questions about what abilities they’d want to see if Gladiator were to become a 4th spec. So it’s either aesthetics or just having greater durability with full DPS spec damage output.
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I can’t comment too much on it since I skipped WoD, but from the videos I have watched, people enjoyed the fast pace of it. They also liked the utility that having a shield brings.
Doesn’t get faster than Fury
Utility from a shield? That sounds an awful lot like
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Nothing is as easy as bfa dh…
It was pretty high apm to shove as much dmg into Shieldrush windows. It was a fun meme spec for bgs and 2s after they nerfed it. Having access to SS dispel is something I personally miss as arms tho.