Give dynamic respawns

[Bizzel-nazjatar (Bizzel)]

h ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RyxK88SyRg&feature=emb_title
there it is, herod has over 9k

show me a source that says they have less. i bet you cant

[Delimicus-heartseeker]

Nah, you can’t be serious right now. You’re out of your league here, you’re linking a video about

ironforge.pro

Which doesn’t track concurrent users, it tracks people logging raids. That’s not 9k people online at the same time buddy.

[Bizzel-nazjatar (Bizzel)]

you have nothing at all, dont quote me again until you have something, i wont be responding

you are a waste of time that is dead wrong

[Maggotrot-benediction]

No you aren’t. You are wrong.

Please note that I don’t actually believe that is definitely the case. I could be wrong and you could be right, but if we are going to devolve this discussion into “Nuh uh, you’re wrong!” then we may as well just toss ad hominems at each other instead. I was unfortunately under the assumption that you were above this kind of behavior.

[Delimicus-heartseeker]

I have plenty, just because you can’t comprehend the facts, doesn’t mean they’re not facts.

[Bizzel-nazjatar (Bizzel)]

all you have is a video from 2014 lmao

you are an idiot if you think that is a fact about classic server size. im out now, waste someone elses time with your bs

[Maggotrot-benediction]

Please note that I am not responding directly to you Delimicus, because you obviously don’t want to have an actual discussion with someone who disagrees with you, as evidenced by your previous response of “Nu uh, you’re wrong”.

This is instead a deconstruction of your post in the interest of keeping other people informed. Sorry that it will end up notifying you regardless. Feel free to continue ignoring my arguments and assuming you are correct.

Jeff Kaplan says the following:

• On a lot of servers, there are 500-700 people in Molten Core at prime-time, every night of the week.
• He says these are almost entirely unique players and guilds, because most guilds only do Molten Core one night a week.
• On the weekend, there are 50% more players in Molten Core than there are during the week.

We know that raiding was not nearly as accessible in 2005 as it is now. From this, we can assume that a much larger percentage of the playerbase is raiding now.

Emphasis mine.

Assuming anything is not a standard by which we can actually prove anything. The fact is that extrapolating anything from the 2015 data Delimicus has provided proves nothing because we have no accurate data to compare it to from classic.

How many guilds do Medium population servers have raiding Molten Core on Classic? Keep in mind that raiding is much more accessible and we’re talking about server population, not raiding population.

We don’t know. We could use anecdotal evidence, the same as people attempting to use this to prove the opposite of Delimicus’ thesis (that Classic servers are not more populated per server than Vanilla servers were), but that is also not an accurate measurement of anything, so we still have no evidence one way or the other.

TL;DR: Servers are not vastly more populated than they were in Vanilla.

According to unofficial census data.

This is a fact

There is no official source that backs up this claim, or backs up the claim that the census data is accurate.

no one has provided any evidence otherwise besides an outdated statement from Blizzard pre-removal of layering.

I would just like to point out the irony of a person suggesting this quote from 6 months ago is outdated, and then attempting to use a video from 2015 to make their own case…

[Attention-bigglesworth]

just google classic wow server population lol…the results are there without the need for an addon on literally every server…and your numbers are way off.

[Delimicus-heartseeker]

I’m not going to sit here and teach you how to use the internet. I’m not going to teach you basic reading comprehension. I know exactly what website you’re talking about and all I can do is shake my head.

[Attention-bigglesworth]

which site?

[Delimicus-heartseeker]

ironforge.pro

[Attention-bigglesworth]

nope /10char

[Attention-bigglesworth]

Server	Alliance	Horde	Total Players
Herod	38.5	61.5	9730
Whitemane	42.9	57.1	10551
Faerlina	40.2	59.8	7850
Fairbanks	31.6	68.4	8280
Incendius	46.8	53.2	8147
Arugal	40.3	59.7	8299
Stalagg	14.4	85.6	6077
Skeram	28.6	71.4	7734
Grobbulus	50.4	49.6	6293
Heartseeker	79.5	20.5	5583
Blaumeux	35.6	64.4	6078
Sulfuras	43.5	56.5	6662
Bigglesworth	37.2	62.8	5534
Pagle	80	20	5976
Kromcrush	38.4	61.6	6107
Kirtonos	41.3	58.7	5283
Yojamba	35.3	64.7	4913
Benediction	53	47	4873
Rattlegore	45.5	54.5	4894
Kurinnaxx	38.7	61.3	4063
Mankrik	25.2	74.8	4232
Atiesh	66.8	33.2	3868
Thunderfury	33.3	66.7	3914
Earthfury	60.5	39.5	3581
Westfall	72.8	27.2	3371
Thalnos	29.5	70.5	2865
Smolderweb	37.9	62.1	3168
Myzrael	62.5	37.5	3036
Netherwind	45.7	54.3	2057
Remulos	70.8	29.2	2104
OldBlanchy	57.7	42.3	2100
DeviateDelight	59.8	40.2	1423
Ashkandi	60.7	39.3	1717
BloodsailBuccaneers	72.6	27.4	1454
ArcaniteReaper	61	39	1359
Windseeker	54	46	1232
Anathema	46.5	53.5	912
Felstriker	43.5	56.5	931
Azuresong	68	32	906
Loatheb	38.7	61.3	764

[Attention-bigglesworth]

Here is EU

Firemaw	47.2	52.8	10359
Gehennas	39.5	60.5	9015
Lucifron	12.4	87.6	6426
Mograine	44.4	55.6	8305
Shazzrah	34.6	65.4	8244
Sulfuron	45.4	54.6	8111
Venoxis	40.4	59.6	7633
Golemagg	40.8	59.2	7244
Razorgore	45.8	54.2	6714
Earthshaker	51.7	48.3	7927
Noggenfogger	37.8	62.2	6106
Gandling	35.1	64.9	6215
Ashbringer	50	50	5351
Patchwerk	37.3	62.7	5619
Everlook	67	33	5363
ZandalarTribe	55.5	44.5	4946
PyrewoodVillage	72.2	27.8	5088
Amnennar	42.1	57.9	4819
Dragon’sCall	38.7	61.3	4277
Flamelash	1.9	98.1	2216
MirageRaceway	64	36	4744
Auberdine	62.9	37.1	4413
Heartstriker	81.6	18.4	4785
Stonespine	34.6	65.4	4185
Dreadmist	44	56	3977
Razorfen	55.9	44.1	3726
Skullflame	36.5	63.5	3365
Finkle	41.7	58.3	3212
Transcendence	40.5	59.5	3463
NethergardeKeep	68.8	31.2	2565
Bloodfang	52.6	47.4	3037
Mandokir	35.1	64.9	2479
TenStorms	35	65	2303
Lakeshire	56.7	43.3	2055
Judgement	66.8	33.2	1199
HydraxianWaterlords	72.4	27.6	970

[Delimicus-heartseeker]

Did you just link nearly two month old raiding data as your evidence? These aren’t concurrent online numbers, btw.

That site pulled that data from ironforge.pro.

You’re done here, rofl.

[Dewsbigalo-wyrmrest-accord]

The only reason blizzard would take steps to break population counting add ons is because they wouldn’t want people to broadcast population declines. Common sense tells us this, because why would they keep you from broadcasting their success?

[Attention-bigglesworth]

hope you washed your foot…now you get to eat it =)

[Unadara-herod]

This, when the pop never stopped growing, they trumpeted their sub count from the mountaintops. If the population were booming, blizz would be marketing the crap outa that fact.

They won’t give us the actual numbers, because the actual numbers are not good.

[Gythriel-windseeker]

The realm capacity is approx 3 times what vanilla realms could handle.
You will have to wait until later for me to find it for you, i am at work, and it isnt in a forums blue post, it’s in a dev interview.

Now that does not mean one could not downrank it a bit, to leave some overhead and keep things optimal, but that is what they said
the capacity was, running it on the modern host systems.

[Delimicus-heartseeker]

The theoretical maximum capacity of realms =/= the number of concurrent players before queues. Queues start at anywhere from 4,000-5,000 concurrent users right now. If anyone cared to sit through an Incendius or Whitemane queue on two different accounts, they could scan both factions and come up with an accurate number.