I just came back to augmentation after playing it in DF and noticed that blizzard has gutted some talents and removed some others, but but now augies do more dps to compensate.
WTF? Why TF would a SUPPORT class sacrifice buffing teammates over more personal damage? if i want to dps I’ll go play Dev, Augmentation should be about buffing others.
Man I hope not. Their skill ceiling is already the highest in the game and its not even remotely close.
Because this is literally the only way the class can exist and not be widely mandatory.
We’re also not a support spec, we’re a DPS spec.
Aug is in a much better spot in sub-bleeding edge content now, and still fills the same niche at the top end of the game.
Go play dev then. You’re being dramatic for the sake of being dramatic. We still have far more support/utility than any other DPS spec
This reads like obvious forum troll bait, though, so that’s probably what it is.
Pretty sure they moved more of Aug’s dps to personal dps because if it predominantly brings damage via buffs, then the spec is indirectly as powerful as whoever you’re playing with.
Moving its damage to personal not only makes it less broken in meta comps, but also makes it less required for every group to have.
And makes the spec less garbo when you’re soloing things
I think they want to get rid of support.
Eventually Aug will only buff itself.
Maybe theyll become melee like Enh sham
They just need more support specs to balance against augmentation.
The holy trinity is dead, the future is 1 tank 1 healer 2 dps and 1 support.
I would solve this by taking the pure damage classes that have 3 specs for dps and changing one of those specs from dps to support, i.e demonology warlock, who was historically the original support class, back when you brought only 1 to raid for the massive spell power buff they provided, which was the biggest buff in the game at the time. Then one of the 3 rogue specs, one of the 3 hunter specs, maybe one of the 3 mage specs etc.
This way you’re not having to invent new classes, you can just convert what already exists, less work.
Ignoring my disdain for Aug’s design, the vast majority of the player base would riot at the mere suggestion of conversion.
Please, demo has been through enough, don’t ruin it further.
More “support” specs solves nothing, its just more specs to ruin even more at a faster rate. At best, its more specs doing literally the same exact thing. And the last thing, personally, I wanna see is more like Aug
That’s because your issue with Aug design is they get invited to keys over your shaman. Not because they are bad design.
Aug has the highest skill ceiling in raid, and are a huge part of the game now, highly doubt blizzard will be abandoning them.
…? What lmao, I don’t pug I just run keys with friends, you really jumping to the ‘you just hate it cause you’re jealous’ defense?
Though to be fair, I do hate it cause it wasn’t a tank spec.
I used to main evoker, but I stopped playing with Aug’s addition cause I dislike it so much. I tried to give it a chance, but the more I saw about it, the more I internalized its design, and finally actually trying to play it…man my hatred for it grew three sizes that day.
A high skill ceiling does not equal good gameplay. Mained demo warlock S1 of Shadowlands for Castle Nathria, to do any damage required a rotation with ~3sec variance, missing a cast or moving too much resulted in a 20-40% drop in dps. High skill ceiling. Was it good? Heck no, was the worst design of demo in history. Current demo ain’t good, but it ain’t that bad.
As for huge part of the game? Gonna press ‘X’ to doubt on that one, at least according to ‘DataForAzeroth’, currently Evoker overall consists of 3.4% of the total player base at max level. Literally the least represented class. The next highest is Monk at 6.2%. It has the most ‘unique’ spec…and the least class representation by far.
Which is a shame, to be clear. Dev and Pres are both great, I like them a lot. I want to play evoker more. But not so long as Aug exists, at least in its current iteration. I don’t want to even run the risk of being asked “can you play Aug?” Got enough of that season 2 of dragonflight, never want that experience again. Aug should have been a tank spec, or it should have not happened at all.
What an absolutely absurd reason not to play something.
Your entire rant reads like a stubborn child who didn’t get their way.
You literally don’t even do content that Aug meaningfully affects.
I want more damage abilities, personally. It has great utility but is so utterly boring to do damage with
Ah yes, spending a season getting “go aug” “you’re trolling if you’re not aug” messages while trying to do low keys and not wanting to experience that again, soo absurd…
No, but I assume you know that cause you checked my raiderio, so a weird thing to bring up on a (what was) fresh alt with a hidden post history
Lmao I pugged to 3100 as dev and never got asked to go Aug once. This line is literally only used by people that never even played the specs at a decent level.
I’m 2600io and 4/8 mythic. What I post on is irrelevant to the fact that you’re clueless.
Happy to meet you in game on my main if you want proof-- how about whoever has the higher io, ilvl, and raid prog gets $1000 from the loser?
I know a fun little app we can use to make the bet fair.
Oh, you’re one of those sorts. This was never gonna be a productive conversation huh?
Not with your complete lack of knowledge about the game and childish tantrums, nope.
You only think I have a lack of knowledge because you don’t like what I have to say. And bold of you to claim ‘childish tantrums’ when the merest prodding about posting on an alt causes you to devolve into a ‘navy seals copypasta’ rendition. Pot, meet kettle.
I think you have a lack of knowledge because you have a lack of knowledge. Whether I like what you say or not is irrelevant to the fact that it’s misinformation.
People don’t get asked to play Aug all the time, and good players realize they’re better off having a dev than an Aug until 12+ keys, assuming equal skill .
You don’t have to like Aug, but perpetuating the misinformation that it’s bad for the game is just propaganda at this point.
It was the least played evoker spec at the back half of RWF, and mage has been at the top of the m+meta (and stronger in a MUCH wider range of keys) for literally expansions and no one loses their mind over that.
So you’re admitting your posts are childish?
Now we’re getting somewhere.
Finally! A point of discussion! Wrapped in derision, but I can work with this.
First off, bad for the game is a wide descriptive point. Bad for the game doesn’t mean ‘the end of everything’, but a changing of expectations. When I said ‘more to ruin’, perhaps a bit inflammatory but descriptive of my feelings towards changing specs into a role they never were before.
In addition, additional support specs won’t solve any of the presumed issues with there just being one support. In fact, in a very real way additional supports will actively damage classes as they are currently designed. Two of the biggest things that sets Aug apart is the Primary Stat buff (awful idea in the outright, why it was never just base damage buff I’ll never know) and the excessive defensive utility. Stat buffing is an awful mechanic, that even in FF14 for the three jobs they tried it with, so as not to favor any given party make-up had to nerf the stat gains into 1-3% buff range, and where damage buffs do remain, cap at 5% on a 2 minute CD.
The other is the excessive utility. Compared to a normal dps, Aug is overloaded with utility. Health buff better than warrior shout and near permanent , speed buff when needed, giant shields, cheat death that dev/pres don’t get. This is my primary area of concern. I like having healers and dps with access to utility. But Aug’s utility all comes at the cost of dev/pres not having access to it, despite a lot of that utility is stuff people request for dev/pres during df beta.
Additional supports brought into the game demand a design structure that defines them as being separated from standard dps. And Aug has already been seen as being selfish with utility access. You start throwing supports on a bunch of classes, they’re gonna need differentiation from the dps. And only so much utility in so many forms can exist, so my fear is that the design of normal dps/healers will be limited and restricted, having access to utility they already have being cut away so that the amorphous design of a nebulous support spec can be reinforced.
A fact I was happy to see.
I never lobbied for more support specs.
I think it’s far more likely Aug becomes almost completely personal DPS eventually, which I’m in favor of.
This has been effectively neutered in all but title keys at this point. If it weren’t, we’d have seen 2 in every RWF comp.
It’s not raid wide like warrior buff, it’s not even close to near permanent, and it’s not even always taken anymore because it’s been so heavily nerfed. Rally does need to see a bit of a buff, though.
No argument there, defy date should be in the class tree or baseline.
All these things said, most of your issues with Aug seem to be stuck in Dragonflight with the exception of ebon might, which I suspect will slowly fade to a small portion of Aug DPS and potentially changed to an aura damage buff so that scaling isn’t such a nightmare.
Blizz is far too lazy to want to adjust Aug numbers every time a new tier comes out, which they’ll have to do in one form or another in perpetuity unless they eventually make some baseline changes.
At any rate, people aren’t being bullied into playing Aug 24/7, and the spec effects a very small corner of the game that most players complaining about it will never even touch.
No, but the original point I was responding too was, and is where your interpretation of my statement ‘ruining the game’ came from.
Which, I would prefer tank spec, but won’t complain if this is the end result either.
To be fair, perhaps they are. But the baseline concept hasn’t changed, so I haven’t been inclined to reinvestigate.
Doesn’t need to be 24/7 to make it annoying. Barely needs to be 6/3. Even so, glad to hear it.
And if thats the case, then I need never interact with it, as that corner is one I have neither the time nor inclination to dip into.
However, Aug was marketed as ‘beginner friendly’. It was supposed to be a spec someone unfamiliar with the game could play and join experienced players in some dungeon runs. I hope its inevitable evolution into what it has become has shown the design team that buff specs are to be handled with extreme care.