So in BFA, I played Alliance and dabbled in the Horde; understood the story and enjoyed both sides (Still in favor of our boys in blue) but I have to ask. Does anyone feel like Anduins role as King of Stormwind, King Of The High Alliance and Commander of the entire Alliance Force not really… being noted or taken seriously enough, even for that matter given a proper chance to shine?
I know in the past people saw (mostly in Mist0, that Anduin was just a boy or a peacekeeper who relys on others strength to get him through at the end of the day and sure he fits all of those descriptions but now he is the rightful King of the Alliance, as he was before when his father was missing back in vanilla just now older and more mature which needs to be shown a lot more than just a few cameos in some story quest. This could have been a major story arc for him to fix his past reputation as just a simple peacekeeper and earn respect where respect is due to be earned.
It’s as if this entire expansion he’s been piggy backing off of King Greymane and more especially Jaina who this entire expansion on the Alliance side has been mostly about just due to her being from Kul Tiras when she should have gotten a minor role in this at best. She had a change of heart, good. She got the Kul Tirans to join up with the Alliance, wonderful! Even reconciled with her mother and became Lord Admiral! Perfect! To be honest that where it should have stopped and picked back up with Anduin.
For example, The beginning of the Darkshore Warfront campaign really proved to me that something was wrong with Anduins story. For one what Tyrande did was disobedient, dangerous, reckless and foolish it even cost the life of one Maievs wardens who are very powerful and instead of Anduin becoming stern and putting his foot down as a King would and should do in that situation they just wrote it off and said what she did was a good thing, which I won’t argue about but at the end of the day there should be a cause & effect scenario to this situation! How can someone just disobey a KING? A King who admitted to failing you, let your people into his city so you wouldn’t be at the mercy of the Horde, and promised you that you will get your revenge when the proper time comes! Why? What kind of sense does it make not to give Anduin that proper respect and authority he needs to grow as a character? Are you just gonna let people steam roll over him constantly or will he eventually put his foot down like he did in that cinematic in Lordaeron and shut that mother****** down! Everyone claims he just a boy king, well at some point a boy becomes a man like a cub becomes a lion and if you piss off that lion its gonna eat yo a**!
So please as a young man who really enjoys your amazing stories and characters give Anduin the right amount of characterization he needs so he can fill his role in becoming an Amazing King of Peace and Justice cause if Tyrande, Genn, or any other loose cannon mother****** would have done that stunt when Varian was still alive, they would find themselves in front of a angry swordsman ready to give them hell!
Cause what tyrande did was a good thing, anduin was wrong not only did they win in darkshore they won against dazarlore giving the alliance superiority in the war
The High King is supposed to be supreme allied commander of forces provided to him by other rulers, even though it rarely feels that way. If Tyrande wants to tell him to sod off and fight her own war independent of the Alliance at large, she’s within her rights as High Priestess of the Kaldorei.
Really? She wanted to take back her lands, she even went as far to go to the War HQs of the Castle and ask for some forces from Anduin’s side, he completely rejected that, so he left her no choice, the Wardens and every other Night Elf felt the same way as Tyrande.
Not to mention afterwards even the Gilneans go help the Nelves with Greymane telling Anduin he will go no matter what.
rofl
I think you’re confusing the Alliance with the Horde, no one in the Alliance is forced to listen to commands from a single person, they are an Alliance after all. Tyrande was in all her right to do whatever she wanted because Anduin neglected to send troops, all she did was with her own people under their own will (Gilneas came out of loyalty and love for the Nelves and Teldrassil as well)
He is not their King. He is the King of Humans not of the rest of the races.
What kind of respect am I gonna give to someone that lets people die in vain, completely mitigates War Efforts and conciously sabotages battles fought. Extends the war meaninglessly and more.
Oh trust me, it’s pretty clear from this post.
As someone who’s probably younger than Anduin, I’d rather have him killed, or at least that Blizzard finally realizes that the High King position is not a Warchief one. His moral superiority complex, and pacifist persona don’t go well with one that has the job to command an army.
Think of it this way, putting a Vegan in command of a slaughterhouse would pretty much kill the business, due to the clashing POV of the 2 entities.
Anduin never forbade Tyrande from going to Darkshore, and even gave Genn his blessing to go help her. There was no disobedience on Tyrande’s part.
Sira died because she went against Maiev’s orders and engaged Nathanos rather than simply scouting him. That’s on her, not Tyrande or Maiev.
… it was. They WON that battle. It was one of the four biggest battles of the Blood War, and they literally won. They recovered a MAJOR Kaldorei territory (and by effect, an Alliance territory), which basically undid all of the land-grabbing the Horde did in the War of the Thorns.
How is that not a good thing?
Because, while he’s their close ally, he’s not their King. By design of the Alliance (or at least how it was built), the peoples remain allied kingdoms without having to swear fealty to the King of Stormwind.
A) All of this is extremely cringe, I want you to know that.
B) Like him or hate him, basically all of that goes against Anduin’s core concepts as a character. If that’s the kind of person you want him to be, then I don’t think Anduin Wrynn is the character for you.
I think that should be true and would be more believable, but my impression is Sylvanas is supposed to be wrong and Anduin is just wise and talented beyond his years. Most other Alliance characters seem to view him as the best thing since sliced bread.
Why should an 18 year old boy who has no real idea about leading troops, leading armies, leading a nation be taken seriously?
Until his father died, he had no experience with any of that.
Dangerous yes, but disobedience? The High King has nothing to say, if Tyrande refuses, he can do nothing about it. It’s a mere title that sits enthroned on voluntary acceptance. If a leader of an alliance nation does not want to provide troops, he/she does not have to and will not do so, thus not violating any rules.
The High King has only those troops at his disposal that are given to him on a voluntary basis. This means that the leaders must be willing to do so.
Anduin does not deserve any respect until he starts proving he is capable of leading his people. He was barely involved in the war. Genn, Wyrmbane, Shaw, Jaina, and even Bolvar’s daughter, Talia, were more involved in this war and showed more balls than he did. At the first chance he could, he ran back to Stormwind instead of staying with his people and helping them. Varian would have never fled back to Stormwind, he would have been there, leading his men on the battlefield like a King should do. So no, Anduin deserves nothing close to respect, especially considering how he treated Tryande when she begged for help. “Oh, but he didn’t have troops then, he was waiting” Yet he had forces ready for his pal, Saurfang didn’t he? If the Horde burned Teldrassil while Varian was still alive, he would have burned Orgrimmar to the ground, killed everyone inside, and delivered whoever was responsible to Tyrande and Malfurion. That is what a king does, he stands with his allies, and helps them in times of need. Anduin is a child, given power he should not have nor has he earned. The only reason Varian and Tirion were killed in Legion is because Blizzard did not want a valid threat to their precious Horde. So, in short, Anduin will get respect when he damn well earns it and starts being a leader rather than a boy pretending to be King.
I should say, I don’t dislike Anduin as a character. I think he actually has a lot of good characterization and room to grow. What I hate is that everyone is treating him like he HAS grown already. At no point in BFA did I feel like Anduin was really all in to fight for what’s his - as a leader, he needed to understand that while fighting is unfortunate, you gotta be willing to actually participate in it against a foe that literally seeks your total eradication.
Lost Honor - any resolve to fight? Any desire to take revenge for the lives lost? Nope. “Aw man, it sucks that we’re fighting.”
Post-Dazar’alor - any followup? Any appreciation for the sacrifices made and the victory earned? Nope. “Aw man, it sucks that people died.”
I like Anduin the character. I don’t like Anduin the King.
I see Anduin’s Kingly personification in the BfA open cinematic. He falters. He tries to be something he’s not. Then, he ultimately realizes what he’s called to do - protect and heal. He leans on his more militant advisors (aka Genn) probably more than a traditional king should.
But he also reminds me of Turalyon. A lot. Turalyon had doubt until a pivotal moment where he literally took up the blade of war and defeated his time’s greatest enemy. Incidentally I think this is why Turalyon is really sidelined so that he doesn’t drown out Anduin - and, no, I’m not insinuating that Anduin Will becomes a paladin.
Also, to the OP question: I don’t think that Anduin was disrespected. If anything, Anduin was at least respectful of the night elves want to reclaim their ancestral lands. Tyrande and Anduin were both doing what they felt was right for their people, neither doing it to spite the other.
People do seem to forget than rather just not fulfilling Tyrande’s demand He sends the Alliance’s single greatest asset… it’s Champion to help her out. An asset that is acknowledged straight out is more valuable than an army.
I’m not saying what she did was a good or bad thing, I am saying the way she went about it was reckless and was not a solid plan and even at the end of that there was still no cause and effect to her decision. It boils down to both her and Anduin coming to terms rather than one going off and doing her own thing. But I do understand what you mean by what she did was good.
That is so so WRONG. If Varian was still alive, he’d realistically keep his word and try to dismantle the Horde as there can be no peace with them.
Tyrande is the one that’s justified here and Anduin is the one thinking in unrealistic ways, spitting on the grave of his father and signing peace treaties in the blood of his allies so that the Horde can do it again in a few years.
Thinking that Varian wouldn’t agree with Tyrande lol
AFAIK, had Tyrande not sent Dori’thur I don’t think we would have known what was happening.
I have need of you. Maiev and Shandris are en route to Stormwind to petition King Wrynn for aid in retaking Darkshore. You have proven a loyal ally to my people in times past. I ask that you join their audience with the king and lend your voice to our cause. I suspect we shall meet again soon.
-Tyrande
The kaldorei have been steadfast members of the Alliance since the end of the Third War. We have fought on distant shores and even on different worlds without protest. It is curious that in our moment of need, their resources are stretched too thin to lend so much as a single blade. Wrynn has already denied Tyrande aid. Witness it for yourself.
-From Waning Hope
So be it. You are more trustworthy an ally than any army Wrynn would have sent. We will reclaim Darkshore together, but first we must find Tyrande. Without her at the front, our forces will crumble against the Horde. She left for the Zoram Strand with a small force not long ago. If we move now, we may be able to find her before the Horde does.
I am pretty sure we went there out of loyalty for Tyrande, I don’t think Anduin had any intention of sending us there to begin with.
My point still stands, did he originally plan to send us? We had no knowledge of the meeting before Tyrande herself contacted us and asked us to be present to support her cause.
The worst part is, we were there, with the intention of supporting Tyrande, asked by Tyrande, and then Anduin is like ‘‘Oh Champion, good timing, go help them plz, ty’’
Like, b*tch that’s why we’re here. It felt to me like he got a free out-of-jail card with us being present.
I don’t care how much he worried, had we not been there or headed directly to Zoram, Anduin Wrynn wouldn’t have sent a single blade as said by Shandris (or Maiev I don’t recall) by his command.
The Gilneans don’t count because Genn would have gone either way.