Master looter is a great system, it allowed me the special privilege of waiting 8 weeks to get my first raid azerite piece.
The azerite system is pretty swell also, I don’t miss raid sets at all, I also enjoy the classes sharing raid sets because it was frustrating seeing other classes with cool sets when I could only get a set for my one character. Now I can get 3 or 4 classes set just playing one character, choices are overrated.
Gathering up 30 mobs and aoeing them down for 10 minutes in islands is really compelling gameplay, and I feel like I am really challenged in warfronts.
Don’t listen to the haters Blizzard, you basically hit all the nails on the head with BFA and it really shows because both of my raiding guilds (yes I run two because I am loving bfa that much) have gotten so burnt out on fun that they just can’t log in anymore because it would just be too much fun.
They are the textbook definition of content. They are exponentially more in the way of content than a selfie cam or twitter was.
Especially when they hid poor work ethic and corner cutting behind excuses like no flying.
A lot of hype and buzzwords that didn’t live up to what they were selling. Which is why 3/4 and more of the playerbase left not long afterwards and haven’t been back since. That’s not “passion,” that’s empty marketing…basically “no man’s sky” for wow.
Again, there’s a lot of people who wrote literal books of well thought out feedback on why legion was not a great release here and elsewhere. You thought it was (insert feedback here), which you are entitled to. Most of the playerbase didn’t, which is why the numbers continued to fall, and why we find ourselves in the place we are today.
People caught on that bfa was essentially unchanged not so great parts of legion, which was better disguised parts of wod.
The fact is, wod set the bar so that nearly anything could have been done and they could have topped it. legion was better than wod, but compared with their pre wod releases was substandard. It’s clear they went the wod route with doing less and trying disguise it with smoke and mirrors. They did a better job in this department than they did in wod…but smoke and mirrors is still smoke and mirrors.
Yup most of the people who don’t like BFA are unsubbed and not on the forums. Only reason I post from time to time is, for now, you don’t need a sub to post on the forums.
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I feel like the lack of subs, stock price, and empty guilds are a good sign that the hate isn’t just a vocal minority Its just lots of people just quit without saying why. I once worked as customer service when I was younger and the first thing they told us in training was a negative or angry customer that contacted us usually meant at least 20 other people felt the same way but just quit using a product or took it back. I think the same is true with games. I have said my 2 cents on the forums but I know 3 people who quit for similar reasons who don’t post on the forums. 3 don’t sound like alot but when you only know like 5 people who play thats 60% of them.
Don’t let the whole “people just don’t like MMO’s anymore” convince you why people are leaving. ITs because things they enjoyed in the game have been taken away from them.
War on Flight, ilvl scaling, lack of interesting content is why im not. Stayyed subbed all the way through WOD and Legion. Last time I took a break from wow was early cata.
also yth…yes ppl are remembering Legion fondly now…but thats becasue BFA feels liek a step backwards.
specs got butchers.
very few kept their artifact “iconic skill” that they grew to love.
gear is so rare and RNG is unbearable for some.
the whole “horde favortism” issue around warfrotns (it was handled badly btw.Should of stayed “broke” untill the cycle went full circle and then had the fixes applied so both sides were fairly treated)
also launch Legion was awful and it took months to make it liked.
also legendary system was never liked until you could literally BUY them.
RNG sucked in Legion. That was pretty much the bad part of it at end.
I enjoyed BFA for a bit. This xpac has had you hit the content cap extremely fast.
friends are all busy IRL (college, jobs, etc) and cant play so that was another issue with me and the game atm. (i typically use WoW sub as my $15 monthly chat service)
It seems like a lot of you need a new game… because Im still playing the same old game I have loved since BC. Sure things have changed a lot since BC but essentially things are still the same. Outside of raids and dungeons there is not much to do it seems for a lot of people and its been this way for 6 expansions imo. Personally I think Legion and BFA have offered me more to do outside of raids than ever before however. As I said earlier forums are a negatively driven toxic mess. Very few people like me, that love this game, it seems even bother to post here I would venture to say. By the way while I am at it so far BFA is way, way better than WoD. Even I found that last year of WoD to be WoW’s lowest point where for 12 months I logged in 3 times a day to do gold missions at my garrison table and then immediately logged out.
You mean, very few people like the game and PLAY any more.
How odd…because most people, in fact the larger portion of the playerbase that stuck with it until wod, disagreed with you. The numbers showed this. just as they reflect the current sad state of affairs.
How interesting, because over 3/4 of the playerbase since wod did, and hasn’t been back. Telling more to leave is probably a bad idea.
It was projected that about 10 million came back for Legion proving once again of this cyclical aspect of the game that has existed since the beginning.
First, on Star Wars. First major thing I liked was Rey’s parents are nobody’s. Just like Luke at one time was a nobody who rose up and challenged the greatest power in the galaxy, Rey actually is. Luke was always much more interesting before he was simply Vader’s kid. I never liked that turn for the character and he fell behind Han Solo once it was revealed. His being a great Jedi simply came down to because his daddy was. That was just a bad move to me so I’m glad Rey is going to have the chance he didn’t. Another thing was Luke’s turn from master Jedi to Scrooge allowed more exploration of how the Jedi had failed than had he been this super cool Jedi we all were expecting (even me and looking forward to it). But I found this a more mature look at what accepting the weight of thousands of years being on your shoulders alone can do. How shame at a moment of weakness (but was it?) can destroy all the dreams you may hold. Lastly was the death of Snoke and Keylo becoming the big bad. They often refer to turning to the dark side as falling. Sort of like you slipped but here we see a definite choice. His conflict with his parents seems to be over now. He’s finally grown up and choosing his path. That upped him as a character to me when before he was clearly a Vader standin. Now he’s walking somewhere Vader never has including out of his shadow so I expect to see something more from him than what he started out as. I think these were wonderful choices that did allow Star Wars to mature from its initial films which is ideal to me. They paid their homage to them now we moving on. You still have to start with the original but its now adding to that universe in more than just new aliens and new characters. But Luke’s arc was my favorite part which included a full arc in which the character is very different at the end than the beginning. He’s the same character throughout the originals which granted is part of his appeal. I could have done without the casino planet too.
As to my point, there’s no need to harp on the same things over and over. Nor complain about lack of communication then tear apart someone’s post when they do. We all can read. We all can make up out minds if we agree or not. There’s not need to keep at someone until you get whatever ounce of flesh you need to feel satisfied.
Azerite armor, just one of the problems, is never going to be fixed. There’s a reason for that. It never was designed to actually replace the artifacts. That’s clear just looking at it. If you take all that came with the artifacts (I’m including each individual one as well as the class halls), there’s no way five, six or seven rings can replace that. And surely we all know they work two or more years on these expansions (heard from the horse’s mouth in a video). Its in the bag and they’re already on something else. Its apparently designed to add additional rings and I bet that was its initial design. Each patch, new rings. They’ve heard folks on reforging costs and they already said they want it that way to make us farm more. We all should know these things. If we can look and listen. But instead its a constant repeat of the same things people have been saying since its introduction. Has it changed? Well, if you believe additional rings were always coming then no. So the echo chamber of who all doesn’t like the armor. Or the world quests or whatever just can’t matter because we aren’t in alpha. This is it. I’m curious if there are any unrevealed designs coming that might complete everything that seems uncompleted (I think probably not). But you’re taking up all the oxygen in the room saying the same things that have already been said. Attacking people that don’t even have a role in the process. Or if you want more recent dumpster fire, is this lack of finished expansion have anything with the move of developers to mobile. So many other interesting things to be asking instead of me unhappy, you fix or me quit, me mean it, me leaving now, me have two months left on sub so me still here but me unhappy, you fix of me quit, etc etc. I’m not saying people should quit if they don’t like something but I really hope they aren’t playing for something they don’t like. Again, these systems are for all intents and purposes set in stone. Little touchups here and there but we’re not going to get a full replacement so you may as well move on. I’m sure they know the sub numbers. They really are the only ones that should care so letting them know sub numbers are down just feels like some think themselves a little more important than they might be. Besides, what’s the deal with folks talking about sub numbers being down yet they are still subbed? That’s always puzzled me. Are things so bad everyone else left but they’re dedicated or addicted or what? I’m still predicting nothing is going to change from what we’ve gotten. Either the design is so light that they can literally add anything to it making it something completely different later or its so light because that’s all there is too it and I’m pretty sure that’s all there is to it. First major patch and the best they’ve done is an extra ring and some tweaks. Better set in for the long haul on this one. Though I do wonder if this is a design choice or simply a money one. But someone’s so busy talking about this bad expansion I guess we’ll just table it. Not important but did you hear azerite armor sucks.
It weird when legion first came about. I really did not like it much. It had a ton of good story and other odds and end. It also had some bad things in. It got a whole lot better/worse after second patch. By then though I was getting burned out. I completely before first patch stop playing on horde account and played on alliance one. sense I could also put horde there now. I just used it. Even then I could only take about 7 months of it on of again and on agian bases. Never could get into legion. not sure why.
I here and read post and makes me wonder did I miss something. I like wod and oddly stayed for almost a year and came back a month before legion. I hated no flying. But found other things that were actually interesting to me.
In bfa I can not honestly say I finding anything good.
When came back to bfa I did find legion Argus to be interesting. I really wish I log on for that. I was just too burned out though. As my luck was horrible and still is.
It really does not seem anyone really keeping track of what works and what does not work. I read the blue response and seem they are indifferent to post. Really not a way to look at their own forums. It is one of the only method left for this. beside feed back. Probably reason why I left. it just did not seem they were working to address some key concerns. But I can be wrong.
There are things that I dont like about BfA (and older expansions as well), but it doesn’t mean Im not having fun. Even if I’m making a complaint on the forums.
Blizzard tries to frame criticism as passion of its fans which isn’t a bad perspective to take, but as the creators, I’m sure that this is a heavy weight to bare.
That said, I’m certain that some devs (and many players here on the forums) don’t really understand why I enjoy WoW. Based on many comments I see here on the forums, I don’t understand them either, so I guess we are even.
Reasonable speculation gets a like from me. This is a fantastic perspective that critics of the critics are ignoring. You can’t ignore the evidence in the game itself. I play on 3 different server groups (2 mainly) and I’m strongly considering moving to a completely new server group because my servers are dead.
ex. I’ve been after the Dune Scavenger awhile now. The folks on my servers are tools and post it at crazy prices… 1 of them, if I’m lucky… and when I go login to some highly populated server there are 4 listed at a “reasonable” price. So I just gotta do some leveling or transferring elsewhere me thinks. That or stop playing until there’s a reason to come back.
They were quick to brag about subs with the inflated numbers from asian accounts (they weren’t paying nearly the same amount western customers were.) The fact is the game didn’t catch on in asia to the extent they hoped it would despite the deep cuts and accommodations they made to entice asians to play WoW.
They’ll never report sub numbers again. They’ll report profits, but those numbers have to be taken in the context of a game designed to milk consumers through services like tokens, pets, mounts, etc. We’re in a much more shady world of warcraft now, and if you’re hoping classic will change things - sadly I doubt it. The everyone gets a pony philosophy is deeply ingrained in Blizzard now, and it’s not going to change.
Wow, you spent a long time summarizing the plot. Nothing you wrote showed any type of maturity to the content. Again, you are leaning back on the “subversion” argument.
Ben Kenobi not telling Luke about his “father” is far more interesting of a plot twist because he now has to deal with the moral qualm of facing family. The power aspect is a ridiculous aside that was unnecessarily built upon in the prequel. The conflict is Luke’s ability to cope with the moral misgivings of having supernatural powers, a topic that is not explored at all in the sequel trilogy; And it was what the reveal brought forth to hero face bad guy arc. He now knows he can turn bad too.
You should explore the story of Jacen Solo in the EU because that was essentially what was replaced in Luke’s arc; this version was unnecessary water down version of coping with failing as a jedi master. In the EU he failed to convince Jacen of the teaching of the jedi ways, in the sequel he basically forced him into being a sith. I would rather see failing of Luke at something that he hasn’t been established being good at, dealing with immoral people, and more of his failing as something he had no establishment as, a mentor.
You mean he followed a vader arc? Just instead of Jedi master being killed he killed a Sith master? Also, Rian fails to explore the importance of overcoming the master and really get into the niddy griddy of the rule of two establish by Darth Bane, nor the info explained in the Bane Trilogy.
How? It’s a terribly done Ben Kenobi arc. First the arc doesn’t start with deconstructing Luke’s character, it undermines it. He stays the same grumpy, non Luke, man till deus ex yoda burns down the tree of knowledge which sends him down the kenobi path.
I would have much preferred that his seclusion was because Jacen Solo, kylo, killed Mara Jade and that he must come faced to face with his failing as a teacher and the monster that killed his wife.
Azerite didn’t just replace Artifact weapon. It replaced tier sets also, it’s clear you aren’t paying attention to what people are talking about because this is a major point of contention.
We were talking about it then too. Stop being the echo chamber that is apologizing for blizzard, it’s not even helpful because it’s not a suggestion to fix.
Expand on what is more interesting then the topic people are talking about. And people are quitting because they aren’t enjoying it.
Because nothing else is proving to change the strategy that blizzard is employing, look at the flying controversy in WoD and you will see that this strategy is the only one proven to at least have some change on the design decisions. Also, people still want the game to succeed, they don’t like the direction and they are trying to give every reason direction should be changed. I don’t understand people like you who are apologizing for them, you aren’t giving any meaningful suggestion in the wake, you are trying to shut down the conversation while giving no real actionable suggestion on content changes or action that players can do to improving the system.
Yeah, guess next expansion everyone is going to wait till the patch were the game is complete to resubscribe.
I still don’t understand your point of not talking about the elephant in the room. Please expand on how not talking about the issues raises any changes at all, give examples, because I would really like to know how this is a good strategy for improvement.
I would rather take a disgruntled players plea for an improvement then an apathetic players disengagement.
Guess you should buckle down for the long haul of complaints.
GC says that now, but his ‘git gud or quit’ posts at the start of cata says differently. The majority of the fanbase hated the changes made from cata (and the sub nosedive showed it) but in typical dev fashion instead of admitting that they made a mistake he doubled down on it, which only made things way worse. Kind of like what’s happening now.
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