What’s going on here? How is this possible? I’m an spriest so I’m pretty OP/ tanky, too. Is there some new legendary? This is insane
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It is a combination of a few things. MA leggo give 100 crit chance for 4 secs after stealth and during stealth.
in pvp you have cold blood which is 10% of your max hp,
Then you have the ways sub works. With Dance, symbols and night stalker talent, you are looking at a 42 percent damage increase in a very short window (at 5 percent on top of that if you are stunned and they talented for prey on the weak)
our kyrian skill gives us a ton of mastery afte ruse and hits like a truck.
You basically open with cold blood shadowblades, cheapshot dance symbols trinket echoing reprimand, evis, marks of death evis.
and its all 100% crit for the opener due to the leggo.
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How would you recommend countering it? A lot of the time they pre-cloak just because they know I’m getting waxed in <5s.
I was thinking I have to instantly disperse, but I’m losing the long-game.
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it is also because symbols of death give your next combo point generator 100% crit and 15% more dmg and shadow blades give them 50% damage bonus and kyrian ability is a combo point generator so it gets these buffs and you end up with a cov ability that does around 7-9k damage that is instant with no setup and also gives you a free 7pt finisher which lets you basically do around 15-20k damage in a few globals.
Disperse the opener. Fear. If he trinkets fade and heal yourself. Wait out cloak and stun put your dots up. If he blinds you can trinket. After cloak there’s really not much he can do… Mindgames to bait out kick and shadowmend yourself then you can pump out damage. Its very hard to get shadowpriests who actually use cooldowns.
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Has anyone noticed a trend where it’s only cloth wearers that are complaining about rogues? Haven’t seen a single Q.Q from paladins, warriors, hunters, shamans, DH’s, DK’s, or druids. I think I saw some hunter screaming nerf but I’m sure he’s new at the game.
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100% crit leggo sounds pretty gross for arena but here is the question to ask to see if it really needs a nerf. Does every sub rogue feel its the mandatory best legendary for arena? If the answer to that is yes then it probably needs nerfed. From what I have heard from my rogue buddies its that its THE mandatory legendary which is bad for rogues anyway as it makes it so the don’t really have any choices I’m sure it will be nerfed if that’s really the case.
It is not the case at all. It is a good leggo, and amazing for mythic plus, but in pvp, at least at a higher rated matches, it will easily be countered.
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Right now it’s the best for pvp. But our two top single target trinkets aren’t in even available yet. Plus the talent trees for covenants aren’t even out. The Kyrian have some pretty defensive stuff. We just don’t have enough at our disposal to see the full meta. PvP is always broken at the start.
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Well if that’s the case it wont be nerfed I’m confident that blizzard can accurately data mine their own game. If every rouge uses it in arena and none of the other ones they will nerf it and if they don’t it wont be nerfed.
For rogues who are very good at dippin and slippin its BiS because the burst you can produce is truly mental. This is why people getting deleted in an opener, and the source of most of the QQ.
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I came here to find counterplay from the people that know the class the best. Not to QQ.
But, like currently Shadowpriest, marksman, ele, and rogue, you’d be mad to think they’re not going to HEAVILY nerf and tune the classes… I’m more willing to truly QQ about marks and ele, since I feel like a proper trink, stun, fear, could give me a fighting chance or at least disrupt their opener. Ele literally just globals for no reason, same with marks.
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Oh really? You mean you dont play damnation and stack 3 DPs on someone for an instagib?
/roll eyes
I usually like going any other target thats not an spriet, but since rogues are overtuned atm via crit leggo drest and symbols kyrian.
Anyways, if youre expected to be kill target, trinket fade damnation and maybe get ready to vamperic embrace for you or your partner depending on what they may want to do.
If they dont cloak damnation, fear and immediately stun trinket if you think you can pull it off before cloak. Then do whatever spriests do and get cloak vanish.
At this point, you possibly already won. You have trinket, cloak gone, and you have fade coming up with voidswap and dispersion. You may not be kill target because rogue should know you have disperse fade swap. So he will look to cc you and kill your partner.
Either way disperse if he commits dance symbols on you and isnt looking to bait or be prepared to vampiric embrace or swap ypur ally. Pop shadowfiend on the rouge and try to get damnation on him. If you arent kt try to fade the blind or cheap when preparing the above scenario.
Thats usually how I lose to spriests.
PS: Dont get kicked in shadow or youre going to probably get 100 to 0d if you dknt have fade.
It will be bad imo for 3s, but very strong and oppressive in rm or thug or scoobydoo 2s. Imo it should get nerfed to the ground because theres not a ton of counterplay to it due on the rock paper scissors nature that goes on in 2s, and rogues might be able to get 2x eviscerates in this window with symbols and possivly kyrian with mfd if they pool 5combo points before vanishing or restealthing.
sub cooldowns = ~50% increased damage
guaranteed crits = 100% increased damage
covenant ability that normal hits for twice the damage of a heavy hitting ability = 100% damage increase
1 crit echo is like 4 crit eviscerates. 1 crit shadowstrike is like 1 crit eviscerate.
1 crit eviscerate does like 15% of your hp.
shadow blades makes your shadowstrikes do 50% more damage
(shadow blades) CS, ER, evisc, shadowstrike, evisc, mfd, evisc, shadowstrike = 6+1+1.5+1+1+1.5 = 12 * 15% = 180% hp damage.
If they nerf ER, it’s useless for the other 2 specs. If they nerf Sub CDs it’s useless because it will have no burst and already has no sustain dps.
Sub rogues already have below-average survivability due to their over-reliance on hard CC abilities.
The whole class is a mess, Sub is the only “working” spec right now because Blozzord makes stupid design decisions they don’t understand because they can’t balance for chit.
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100%. That is the problem with rogue/especially sub in general. If they buff it too much its crazy op, but if they nerf too hard it is bfa all over again.
Stuns are a little long in the tooth, but thats my only complaint. Everything else is fair and can be counter played with skill.
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OP, you have very low versatility, which might explain why you’re getting killed so fast.
Whoever said plate wearers aren’t complaining here I am boys the damage is ridiculous even in defensive stance help me out here? Paired with a marksmen in a skirmish they both did 50% of the damage but I was dead before they were even visible I kid you not there is 0 chance to react to that.
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