Do you guys even know arms warrior DPS or anything about this game in general? I know ALL fights of ALL dungeons and I pull good if not great DPS. I always have to do keys 1-2 levels below my ilvl. Sickening elistists.
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DPS warriors aren’t meta and haven’t been in keys for awhile. Doesn’t matter what your damage is we don’t bring the same utility or burst CDs like fire mage / MM hunter / rogue.
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what’s your IO score?
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My IRL job is to work with people on their job search and you sound exactly like them… your subjective view on your experience does not translate to understanding on the other side of this. No one understands that you know all the fights or if you pull great DPS; these are all subjective. This is how you see yourself and not how others see you. When they look at your character, they see someone who has done one successful +7 and hasn’t even done Sanguine Depths.
You also have to consider that when groups are formed there are anywhere from 20-40 other DPS signing up. Some, if not most, might have a higher item level than you with more experience. So naturally, people are going to take them first. Chances are, they’re not even looking at you if people with 200+ ilvl and higher IO scores are signing up.
You’re going to have to start doing some networking in order to build up a friends list so you can start running other people’s keys that trust you and vice versa. There are simply more DPS players than other roles and you clearly can’t fathom that people probably aren’t looking at you the same way you view yourself. It’s going to be frustrating if you continue to see it that way.
Also… M+ is the WoW equivalent to searching for a job IRL.
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Your IO is 398. If you’re a great player, show it by timing lower keys and grinding a higher score, then people will take you. Even your 4s and stuff are only one-chests; I wouldn’t invite you either.
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Sadly, this has been WoW for the last 3-4 years.
@OP, I’m not a fan either, but in all fairness it is a PuGs only way to have any indication of your experience. The alternative is to find a regular group to run and push keys with.
Be friendly in your groups, chat with people, see if people want to run more. It takes some effort, but it works out. In BfA 8.0 I managed to accumulate a small little group of folks to run M+ with and we had some fun. Just be friendly, chill, and approach people.
Good luck!
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Welcome to World of Warcraft my guy. I’m a Feral Druid, I have the parses from BFA and IO Score from BFA to back-up my experience, and I can link 5k+ overalls from keys in the past 2 days.
For context, 5k+ overall is enough to 2 chest a 15 in the current meta.
Still get declined to anything that would remotely drop an upgrade for me unless I’m running with friends - and even then I can only do that when they’re online. As it’s already been stated, there’s 40+ DPS signing up for a key, and if you’re not a meta DPS at 210+ ilvl and/or 900+ io you’re not getting anything higher than a +6 and that’s the reality of keys right now.
Elitism in WoW has been around since the dawn of time, not going anywhere anytime soon.
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As someone who mostly runs his own key and is currently sitting at 950+ io, I can tell you this much:
1 - You are very likely one of about twenty dps queuing up for the group.
2 - Most people, like myself, will literally take those with the highest ILVL and IO score.
3 - The last spot in a group is typically reserved for something the comp needs, like cc, lust, or brez if the healer/tank doesn’t already cover that.
My biggest and only suggestion to you is to run your own key. As a shadow priest, in previous expansions we weren’t all that desired for mythic keys and even though we’re literal gods right now (I pull easily over 5-6k on a run depending on the dungeon), unfortunately we still have that bad rep from the past, so getting into groups even at 209 ilvl and 952 io is far and few in-between.
TL:DR - run and push your own key.
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The problem with you queuing for a +7 at 197 ilevel is that people like me will queue for them too.
You have an item level of 197. Mine’s 206. I’ve basically outgeared 7s entirely, but I still have several dungeons where I could upgrade my io score by timing a 7, so I’ll look for specific 7s anyway. And I’ll get taken over you, because you offer the group Battle Shout and melee DPS numbers. I offer the group a battle res, cookies, in-dungeon summons, Banish, and ranged DPS numbers (which are higher than yours on paper because my item level is higher, and more accessible overall because ranged). The only way you could get taken over me is if your io score was higher (if your io is still 398 like that monk said, mine’s higher) or if the lead was looking for a specific physical-based comp and needed your Battle Shout (which is extremely unlikely for a 7).
398 io roughly translates to “I’ve timed every dungeon at +5”. That’s sufficient to show you can handle a 7 IMO, but you’re competing with players who’ve timed 5-7 dungeons at +7-8 or higher and are queuing for the same key as you to try and fill in the gap in their io scores. And the lead is going to take them over you every single time.
My advice to you is to run your own key, build a comp that wants Battle Shout, and push it as high as you can. You can’t get declined from your own run, and maybe while you’re at it, you’ll see just how many people you’ll wind up declining by default. Simply because you have 3 slots for DPS in a group and wind up with almost 10 times that many DPS applying.
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Ok now things are more clear to me. I just started doing mythics in BFA S4, really. I would say Im semi-casual/competitive. Ive always thought say like instance drop ilvl minus say 3 of your overall ilvl should be enough for someone to apply for, which in some cases it is. I just got so frustrated yesterday that I was sitting in LFG for literally half an hour before someone picked me up for ToP 7. It is also frustrating that I pretty much have to wait a week for vault reward to significantly boost my ilvl.
Im totally new to io scores, how does it work? Whats good and whats not? Thanks.
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I just invite the first warrior to sign up. Let’s time those keys!
Warriors are pretty amazing right now so I’ll take a DPS warrior with a good io score because of the crazy AoE and interrupts
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+5 and +7 are miles apart. They just are. Just like +7 and +9.
You need to pump that io score up across all the dungeons, and you’re probably not going to get to leap frog as a pug dps since there’s a zillion of them spamming LFG.
Start your own key. If it fails out, so what, do it again and build it back up.
I went from a Spires 12 to a NW 9 and built it back up.
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I had zero issues leapfrogging keys, but that’s probably because I didn’t do very many until my item level was in the upper 190s. I don’t think 400 is an unreasonably low score for a 7, because odds are, they didn’t get that 400 by timing a 5 of every dungeon. Odds are that their score is a mix of a 7 or two, a couple 5s and 6s, and one or two dungeons at 2-3 if they’ve even timed them at all. “A 5 of every dungeon” is just what it averages out to (400 / 8 [number of dungeons] = 50 [how much io score a +5 is worth]).
The only real issue I’ve run into when moving up from 5-6 keys to 7+ is people not being able to handle the additional affix. The actual stat check doesn’t start to become problematic until 10+. “Miles apart” is an exaggeration IMO.
it is enough but that’s not the problem. group leaders aren’t looking for “what’s the bare minimum ilvl i can invite that will technically be able to clear this content”, they’re looking for “who’s the most likely to make this run quick and painless”. since they don’t know how good you are (and you may be great!) they’re going to make a snap judgement based on rio score, class, and ilvl.
put it another way, suppose you’re selling your car and you’d like to get at least $800 for it. somebody calls and offers you $800 and you tell him you’ll think about it. then two more people call and offer $1,000 and $1,100 respectively. yeah, the $800 is “enough”… but why wouldn’t you take the offer that’s best?
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For io score, every key has a base value. This is typically 10*the key level; a +3 key is worth 30 points, for example. If you finish the run in time, you get the full value of the key, plus a couple extra points based on how much you beat the timer by. If you run out of time, your run is worth less than the key’s value.
Your io score only increases when you beat your previous best in any given dungeon. If your best run of Mists was a timed +8, it doesn’t matter how many +7 Mists keys you time. Your score will never increase from that. However, if your previous Mists run was worth 81 points (because it was a +8 and you timed it), and you time a +9, your Mists score will increase to 90 (or 92 or whatever).
The actual io score that the addon shows people is an aggregate score. It simply adds your highest-scoring run of every dungeon together and that’s your io score. You can get from that number to a player’s average best by dividing the io score by 80 (divide by 10 to convert back from score to key level [remember, a key’s base value tends to be 10 * the key level], then by 8 because that’s how many dungeons there are).
The three most important things to note about io score is that 1) it resets every season and otherwise will never go down no matter how many keys you deplete, 2) the best way to increase it is to run every dungeon, and 3) if you’re a DPS and not severely overgeared for your desired key level, the fastest way to get into a key group is to host your own run.
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no they aren’t. They are AoE capped and can’t do the same amount of burst a fire mage or mm hunter can. Rogue is automatically better because they do roughly the same if not more damage than warrior along with shroud, tricks, blind, vanish, cloak, cheap/kidney or gouge. UHDk is the highest DPS right now so automatically better than warrior along with having AMZ, their kick has melee range, able to control undead
That is unfortunately accurate, best thing we provide atm is battleshout.
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This is the wrong thread to whine about class balance, which is what you’re doing
Every warrior I’ve taken dishes out a buttload of damage, especially cleave, since most pulls are 2-4 mobs or so.
They pull really great numbers and have a lot of mobility - and interrupt - which makes them really awesome in NW against the 2nd boss which is a key killer.
This thread is about people whining that they aren’t picked among the 50 other DPS applying to keys.
In the thread are replies on how to deal with this.
im not even whining about class balance? im just telling you that your statement is incorrect, warriors have some damage, sure, but that’s not what people only look for when pushing up a key. They look at overall utility that will make the affixes much easier to deal with, or burst that will help push a boss or trash pack to death before another set of dangerous phases.
There’s only one warrior in the top 200 score for DPS in the world lol.
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Just to add to this, having more runs in a bracket, 5+ in this case, makes you more attractive even if your score is slightly lower than the ask. It shows practice.