Get rid of the "Standard" tag for m+ pugs

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…and force people to tag their listings as either “Beat timer” or “Completion”. The “Standard” tag is a default that every host ignores and it sends mixed signals to potential applicants. Therefore it should be done away with.

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And what exactly does this accomplish?

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It makes explicit whether or not the group is going for time. As it stands now hosts don’t even think about it the vast majority of the time and just assume everyone is looking for the same thing they are.

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mythic plus is trash do delves.

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And how would this alter or curtail bad player behavior?

Would not bad actors go into either and still do bad behavior?

Would players still sign up for whatever groups fit their criteria, without reading the label?

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Standard is a mix of wanting to complete the dungeon but with the intent of completing it in the allotted time, seems to match the “no man’s land” or most keys.

Completion is wanting to keep trying and only giving up on the most extreme.

Beat timer is a very strict criteria. If anything, any key 12+ should default to this, since the rewards don’t really exist past this. That at least seems fair.

Edit for typo

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Look, either you care about timing the key or you don’t. There is no in-between.

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blizzard is already testing a automated groupfinder for mythic plus as it is.

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Right? I have no idea what Standard is supposed to mean.

I’m not speaking for the OP, but to me it’s way more about setting a group expectation rather than discouraging bad actors. I’m not sure anyone said anything about bad player behaviour in the first place too.

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OP said:

My question is what does “Standard” mean?

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And yet, the end result is the same as now: players do not read the label and will still join types of keys people dont want.

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“Standard” is ambiguous, and that’s the problem.

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I’m players, I read the label. Some people won’t, some people do. Some people are jerks and AFK in the key, some don’t, regardless of what’s there.

“They’re gonna do it anyways!” is a poor excuse to not change things.

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The reason players don’t read the label right now is because there may as well not BE a label because hosts ignore the setting.

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My question is: How does your suggestion prevent that? Wont a host just let it set itself, or just click the fastest option, usually the first one?

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Not if it starts out blank and the game won’t let you list your group without choosing one. It will make most people actually THINK before starting a pug. For those who can’t be bothered to actually think, well, there’s no hope for those people anyway.

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are you intentionally being a contrarian or just not understanding why having a label that portrays nothing of substance is useless and only contributes to why people ignore the label to start with

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Sounds like there’s only two options then: time it or completion without caring about the timer.

Have the system default to blank and make it have to be chosen from a dropdown. I don’t think people are so stupid that they’re just mindlessly choosing to time it or not.

But if they are, then that’s their problem.

Now, keep in mind, I’m coming at this from the viewpoint of someone who hasn’t run M+ since DF. So for me, not knowing what vagueness “Standard” means, but understanding time it or not care about timing it… I’d rather see just the two options.

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Understandable.

And to me, Standard means “either”. Either we time it, or complete it, or fail. shrug

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i wish there was like a “duty complete” tag or a setting that prevents people below a certain minimum ilvl from applying