Get rid of soulfire for locks

[Endofline-dragonmaw]

Stop putting energy into it. We hardly use it and do not need it.

[Kittredge-azjolnerub (Kittredge)]

It’s an interesting spell but it basically does the same thing as Chaos Bolt, but probably much, much worse.

Chaos Bolt is 1 talent point for an insane nuke that also has interactivity between many other abilities. Soul Fire takes like 4 talent points just to get it off the ground, still has a 3+ second cast time and a 45 base CD. It’s basically garbage.

Honestly, Soul Fire is basically a Hero Talent tree before there were Hero Talents. It’s a lot of talent points to make something mediocre. Or, a lot of talent points to try to fix something which is arguably broken.

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I say make it a CD AoE nuke with a unique effect, like immolate instigation and upkeep. As well as empowering select spells used after it like Demon Fire or Chaos Bolt or Infernal.

Thematically the spell is radically different than how it actually functions. “Burns the enemy’s soul dealing X fire damage and applying immolate.” What about this spell feels like you’re burning someone’s soul? Not a damn thing, realistically. What would feel like you’re burning a soul is placing a debuff on them, as well as some sort of visual signifier which would indicate the burning of a soul.

If we want Soul Fire to be an effective ability (and the only time it is is when tier sets change its shape and form), then we need to add interactivity between other spells, and probably lower its casting time to about 2 seconds or 2.5 seconds.

[Msßombastic-wyrmrest-accord]

Yeah… should check out their “new” direction they want to go with. Sound like Soulfire gonna be base line again for Destro locks. Among other changes.

Feedback: Warlock Updates

Today’s Alpha update focuses primarily on Destruction. The Path Ahead Before we dive in, we want to acknowledge that our work with each specialization tree is not complete. We’ve seen the recent discussions regarding how bloated the Demonology and Destruction tree are in terms of available talents and ranks, as well as thoughts on the pathing of the Affliction tree. In the near future, you will see that the Demonology tree is being restructured and condensed. Both the Destruction tree and the …

[Kittredge-azjolnerub (Kittredge)]

Continuing the discussion from Feedback: Warlock Updates:

@Kaivax

We are removing Avatar of Destruction for a couple of reasons. First and foremost, we want to highlight Summon Infernal as a powerful moment and Avatar of Destruction lessens that by increasing the cadence in which an Infernal is present.

Secondly, Avatar of Destruction provides Destruction warlocks with a powerful, multi-target stun on a frequent basis. We could remove the stun, but we want to stay in line with our philosophy that when a player sees a demon there’s an understanding of what function that demon provides.

To replace Avatar of Destruction, we want to try bringing back Decimating Bolt as it fits the fantasy of a Destruction warlock well and provides more power to your rotational spells. We plan to iterate on this decision based on feedback we see from the community.

This seems like bad logic. I feel like they could literally just change what demon is summoned and also remove the stun and it’d solve the issue.

Removing Avatar is going to substantially slow the spec down in higher end play. But, Avatar probably should have been removed for other reasons, like pigeonholing Destro into playing one way and causing degenerate gameplay.

Replacing it with Decimating Bolt is an interesting choice, but I literally don’t care about incinerate being buffed in a window, especially if Decimating Bolt is a sort of execute ability, but they’re also looking for ways to solve issues with Shadow Burn, so this seems like a bit of overlap but with no interactivity.

@Msßombastic-wyrmrest-accord

Sound like Soulfire gonna be base line again for Destro locks. Among other changes.

Looks like they’re going to reconfigure the tree, which is good. But, even if Soul Fire was made baseline it would still be a garbage ability that most people would almost always ignore, save for a precast on a boss… and, woo hoo?

Sorry for the long post, but I can’t post on the Alpha forums and Kaivax would probably never see my posts otherwise.

[Erpolith-moon-guard]

Would be nice if they either made Soul Fire a glyph to replace Chaos Bolt, or make it an alternate to Chaos Bolt with talents.